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Active shooter at Florida high school

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criminals don't care about your gun laws. ill just get that out there now seeing every comment on twitter
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There are at least 14 victims and "many deaths," according to Sen. Bill Nelson.

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Nicolas de Jesus Cruz is the shooters name
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I live about 20 minutes from the high school, very tragic news
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if he ain’t Muslim/black they’ll claim mentally ill

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Stupidity. RIP to the victims. A student or teacher took a Snapchat of one of the dead victims.
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Chicago Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo, an alumnus of the South Florida high school where officials said at least 17 people have died in a shooting attack, sent his condolences and encouragement Wednesday on Twitter while sounding a note of alarm.

Rizzo, who in November donated $150,000 to his alma mater, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, for the installation of lights for baseball and softball fields, said he hoped the people of Parkland, Florida, would come together in "this darkest of times."

Rizzo, 28, was selected out of Stoneman Douglas by the Boston Red Sox in the sixth round of the 2007 draft.
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There are at least 14 victims and "many deaths," according to Sen. Bill Nelson.

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Just saw Bill Nelson refer to an AR-15 as an "automatic weapon" multiple times. When asked, Nelson also had no idea that gun crime stats didn't really change during the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban. Meanwhile, these so-called "assault weapons" are used in only 1-2% of gun crimes. And many of the talking heads on the left keep calling the AR-15 a "military" weapon, which it is not, of course. I think Hillary called them "weapons of war" when she was unsuccessfully pandering for office.

It doesn't help when the people desperate to politicize these attacks have no idea what they're talking about.
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It doesn't help when the people desperate to politicize these attacks have no idea what they're talking about.
I agree that people should know what they are talking about ML. That said, I don't think it is "politicizing" the issue to suggest that something needs to be done. This is the 18th school shooting in this country in the 45 days of 2018. That's basically 3 a week. In what way can that possibly be acceptable to anybody ??? My nephew attends this school and fortunately he made it out OK. Several of his friends did not. At what point do we say "enough is enough" ? Columbine, Sandy Hook, Parkland....we just keep adding to the list.

One would have thought the Las Vegas massacre would have brought about some sort of consensus on the issue. But it didn't. And if THAT didn't do it, then frankly, nothing will. The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution has been perverted into somehow guaranteeing an alleged "right" to access to weapons of death. These are not hunting rifles. These aren't even handguns. These are weapons that allow deranged individuals to take dozens (or even hundreds) of lives at one time. This has nothing to do with a "well regulated militia."

How fucked up have we become that this is acceptable in our country ?? It shouldn't be. And that should have nothing to do with politics. It has to do with humanity.
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Those are actually hunting rifles. People are so lost when it comes to these guns. They shoot a small caliber .223 bullet and you have to pull the trigger each time to release a bullet. My semi auto 9MM handgun can do the exact same thing but with much more shattering ammo. These guns do the exact same thing as 100 different types of semi auto handguns out there. They are used a lot in these shootings because a lot of people like to own and shoot them. Thinking anything would change by banning these rifles is seriously laughable. What needs to change is the security at these schools. They are not protected as they should be and that is the reason why they are easy targets.
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I agree that people should know what they are talking about ML. That said, I don't think it is "politicizing" the issue to suggest that something needs to be done. This is the 18th school shooting in this country in the 45 days of 2018. That's basically 3 a week. In what way can that possibly be acceptable to anybody ??? My nephew attends this school and fortunately he made it out OK. Several of his friends did not. At what point do we say "enough is enough" ? Columbine, Sandy Hook, Parkland....we just keep adding to the list.

One would have thought the Las Vegas massacre would have brought about some sort of consensus on the issue. But it didn't. And if THAT didn't do it, then frankly, nothing will. The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution has been perverted into somehow guaranteeing an alleged "right" to access to weapons of death. These are not hunting rifles. These aren't even handguns. These are weapons that allow deranged individuals to take dozens (or even hundreds) of lives at one time. This has nothing to do with a "well regulated militia."

How fucked up have we become that this is acceptable in our country ?? It shouldn't be. And that should have nothing to do with politics. It has to do with humanity.


These kind of stats are pushed out there by leftists with an agenda, and they hope people just repeat them without really looking into it, but its wrong.

They will usually include unrelated stuff like gang activity near a school, even if its after school hours and not technically on school grounds.

Just a few weeks ago, they were touting the "11th school shooting of 2018."

Here is what happened up to that point...

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A man standing in the school’s parking lot called 911 saying he was suicidal. He spoke with a county official for several hours on the phone, according to local media, but ultimately shot himself and died from a single gunshot wound.
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Jan. 4: New Start High School in Seattle, Washington

Two shots were fired at the school from outside the building. No students were injured.
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Jan. 6: School bus in Forest City, Iowa

A 32-year-old man fired a pellet gun at a school bus, shattering one of the windows. No students were injured.
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Jan. 10: California State University in San Bernardino, California

At least one shot was fired, shattering one classroom window. No students were injured.
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Jan. 10: Grayson College in Denison, Texas

A student confused a training weapon with a real one and fired a bullet through a classroom wall. No students were injured.
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Jan. 15: Wiley College in Marshall, Texas

Two people in a car exchanged gunfire with a person in a dormitory parking lot. No one was injured, but a bullet was fired into a dorm room with three female students inside.
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Jan. 20: Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina

Following an argument, a 21-year-old Winston-Salem University student was shot and killed during a sorority event at Wake Forest University.
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Jan. 22: Italy High School in Italy, Texas

A 16-year-old boy shot a 15-year-old girl in the cafeteria. He was arrested and she was airlifted to a hospital, where she was “in good spirits” as of Tuesday.
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Jan. 22: NET Charter High School in New Orleans, Louisiana

Someone driving by the school fired on a group of students in the parking lot. Only one boy was injured.
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Jan. 23: Marshall County High School in Benton, Kentucky

A 15-year-old boy opened fire inside the school, killing two and injuring 16.

Would anyone really consider accidentally firing a training weapon and not hurting anyone a "school shooting" unless they were trying to pump up some numbers to push an agenda?

They only way this has grown to "18" since then is more of the same, because I certainly don't remember 7 real school shootings like we saw yesterday happening in February.
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These are obviously tragedies that should never happen, specifically at high schools and elementary schools. But it’s very easy to say it’s a gun problem, as guns are very accessible in the US, even in states that have strict gun laws. For me personally, it’s how these shooters got to that position, as most of them were just kids or young adults.

I’m probably one of the younger guys on here at 32, but prior to Columbine in ‘99, school shootings were very rare, and guns have been around for centuries. Even the AR-15 has been around since the 60s I believe. So what changed in western society that this has become a monthly or even weekly occurance since 2000? That’s the real question. Is it lack of parenting by boomers and gen X? Technology, becoming internet infamous immediately on a global scale, especially with the mandatory acceptance on social media? Or how doctors since the late ‘90s and big pharma push more drugs on children and their parents these days, declaring they have this condition or that condition. Their brains haven’t even developed at all. Basically every kid is diagnosed with ADD/ADHD, so big pharma can push pills as much as possible. Very rare when I was growing up were kids diagnosed with these mental conditions. Now look at our society.
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with all due respect ML, you are missing the point. ZERO of these shootings is acceptable. To minimize the absurdity of this by saying "well some of these shootings took place on the street outside the school so they don't count" is passing the buck.

And Wayne, to say that "banning guns won't work, so we just have to accept that these things will happen" is just lame.

There are things that can be done short of "banning guns", but the NRA is so fucking powerful, the politicians kow-tow to them and don't dare to do anything. How about we make it just a little bit fucking harder for people to walk in to a store and buy a semi-automatic weapon, like they are buying a loaf of bread. The 2nd Amendment does NOT say that anyone and everyone can own a gun. It speaks of a "well regulated militia". THAT is what the amendment is about.

You guys will feel differently when it happens to your family members. And at the rate it happens in this country, you can bet it is only a matter of time before it does happen to your grandchild, or niece or cousin.

P.S. Here are the 18 shootings since January 1st. The fact that anyone might think this is acceptable is astounding (and the fact that many of these only involved shootings without injuries is purely luck):

Jan 3-- St. John's, Michigan (1 dead)
Jan 4-- Seattle (no injuries)
Jan 10--Sierra Vista, Arizona (1 dead)
Jan 10-- San Bernadino (no injuries)
Jan 10-- Denison, Texas (no injuries)
Jan 15--Marshall, Texas (no injuries)
Jan 20--Winston-Salem, NC (1 dead)
Jan 22--Italy, Texas (1 wounded)
Jan 22--Gentilly, LA (1 wounded)
Jan 23--Benton, Ky (2 dead)
Jan 25--Mobile, Ala (no injuries)
Jan 26--Dearborn, Mich (no injuries)
Jan 31--Philadelphia (1 dead)
Feb 1--Los Angeles (5 injured)
Feb 5--Marplewood, MN (no injuries)
Feb 8--Bronx, NY (no injuries)
Feb 14--Parkland, FL (17 dead)
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It is actually very far from lame Keith. Guns have been around for hundreds of years so they are not new to society and criminals will ALWAYS be able to get a gun. Black market or wherever. The problem will be leaving the good citizens unarmed and unable to defend themselves. That's fuckin lame. Let's just ban steak knives too. Do you know how many people are stabbed every day? If we are going to be ridiculous, let's go all out.
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Where is the outrage in this? It is a much bigger problem then school shootings. In fact, it's not even close. Where is the outrage and calls for a ban on alcohol? Like guns, you need to be of legal age to do it but unlike guns, you do not have to go through a vetting process to get it.

"Every day, 28 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. This is one death every 51 minutes. 1. The annual cost of alcohol-related crashes totals more than $44 billion."

Yeah, guns are the biggest problem we have. Right. By my count 30 deaths in schools this year but 56 in just 2 days of alcohol related deaths. I am not saying losing a child, any child, is good but where is the outrage for alcohol or knives? They are much bigger problems in this Country than school shootings. If you park a cop inside locked entrances at schools, all entrances, this will stop quickly. The problem is people do not want to pay for it. Plain & simple.
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It is actually very far from lame Keith. Guns have been around for hundreds of years so they are not new to society and criminals will ALWAYS be able to get a gun. Black market or wherever. The problem will be leaving the good citizens unarmed and unable to defend themselves. That's fuckin lame. Let's just ban steak knives too. Do you know how many people are stabbed every day? If we are going to be ridiculous, let's go all out.
Wow. This is not meant personally, but I can't comprehend someone having such a simplistic stick their head in the sand response. The sad part is that so many other people feel the same way too. Let me know how you feel when it happens to one of your relatives.

"Let's ban steak knives"
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So, on that list, we can consider 2, maybe 3 of them to be actual school shootings. Firing a BB gun at a bus is not a school shooting.

But I agree that the acceptable number of real school shootings is zero. However, I haven't figured out what will protect people from other people.

Maybe if we put a TSA-style system with fully armed officers at every school we can slow school shootings down, but some people are scared of the thought of guns, no matter who has them. Plus, most school districts couldn't afford to do that anyway.

Even if we theoretically secured every school, shooters looking to do damage would just look for other soft targets like malls, businesses, and other "gun-free zones."

If we somehow magically made every gun disappear from the country, we've seen many examples of a guy with a truck and a machete killing far more people that this kid did yesterday. Besides, these days you can print a gun on a 3D printer.

Some people like to say the "gun ban" worked in Australia, although that's not really true. Gun deaths fluctuate year-to-year there, but have gone down just a little on average. People still get murdered by guns there, including in some Islamic terror incidents. There have been only a few mass shootings (other that terror) in Australia recently, but they also have a tenth of the US's population. Australia also makes up for it with arson attacks and stabbing sprees.
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Where is the outrage in this? It is a much bigger problem then school shootings. In fact, it's not even close. Where is the outrage and calls for a ban on alcohol? Like guns, you need to be of legal age to do it but unlike guns, you do not have to go through a vetting process to get it.

"Every day, 28 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. This is one death every 51 minutes. 1. The annual cost of alcohol-related crashes totals more than $44 billion."

Yeah, guns are the biggest problem we have. Right. By my count 30 deaths in schools this year but 56 in just 2 days of alcohol related deaths. I am not saying losing a child, any child, is good but where is the outrage for alcohol or knives? They are much bigger problems in this Country than school shootings. If you park a cop inside locked entrances at schools, all entrances, this will stop quickly. The problem is people do not want to pay for it. Plain & simple.
Uhhh....car accidents are just that ACCIDENTS. The fact that you see that as the same thing as intentional school shootings, well....I just don't know what else to say. And parking a single cop inside every school is like putting a band-aid on a severed limb.
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Wow. This is not meant personally, but I can't comprehend someone having such a simplistic stick their head in the sand response. The sad part is that so many other people feel the same way too. Let me know how you feel when it happens to one of your relatives.

"Let's ban steak knives"
Funny you say that Keith because IMO, You have such a simplistic stick to your head and your head is stuck so deep in the sand it isn't even funny. Yeah, let's ban the AR-15 and this will all go away. Are you kidding me? You really think it is that simple huh? Let's ban guns because it will all go away. Really Keith? Do you know how many crimes are committed by people with stolen weapons or weapons they did not own? Bad People will always have access to guns and your answer is to take them away from legal, responsible owners? Yeah okay Keith, that will work.
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well OK then, a lot of people already have guns so fuck it--we can't do anything about it. As I said, when it is YOUR granddaughter ML, you might feel differently.

By the way, NO ONE seems to want to address the part of the Second Amendment that specifically says what the "right to bear arms" was for.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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