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why would you try to create a correlation between strict gun control and low homicide rates when it isnt true in virtually any other city but New York?
I just asked if it was a coincidence ? Certainly the police commissioner of the NYPD thinks there is a connection.
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You would if you heard a window smash in the middle of the night, or if you woke up and heard someone in your house. That is when you might think differently about owning one. Unfortunately that stuff happens.
You are trying to instill fear in people. I will not take the bait. If a window smashed, my alarm would immediately go off. There is no chance that I wake up and hear "someone in my house" without my alarm system having gone off.
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Mental health is the issue, not guns. If someone wants to kill, they can use many things as a weapon to do it.
im going to play devils advocate here, and I only do this because Im interested in arguments the left has no answer for, and this isnt. This plays into an argument that favors more gun control.

the issue is of course the mental health of the individual, however if a crazy person has the urge to kill, he wont be able to kill as many in those impulsive moments if he only had access to a revolver for example.

whats crazy though is these are mostly premeditated, planned and romanticized in their heads
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By the way, I found this article to be fairly persuasive. Written by a trauma surgeon who indicates he is an avid hunter himself.

Which takes us back to what this thread was originally about. The senseless shooting of schoolchildren. Not once did I say "ban guns". But the AR 15 seemingly should not be in a civilian's hands.

The Parkland shooter'''s AR-15 was designed to kill as efficiently as possible
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I just asked if it was a coincidence ? Certainly the police commissioner of the NYPD thinks there is a connection.
youre smarter than this. stricter gun control doesnt equal a lower homicide rate in most cities. some have the highest rates per capita.

new york is the exception not the rule
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Well I hope we arent hinging on pretending the AR 15 is a hunting gun

I want a weapon thats efficient. Why do I need to sugar coat that
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You are trying to instill fear in people. I will not take the bait. If a window smashed, my alarm would immediately go off. There is no chance that I wake up and hear "someone in my house" without my alarm system having gone off.
Fear? It is a reality that happens every single day in this country Keith. Like 99.99% of gun owners, I will never use it to harm anybody but if someone ever enters my family's private place, you are damn right I am going to have the means to protect them. A phone call does nothing if someone is standing there in front of you with a weapon of their own. You could be dead before anyone gets there
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Old 02-15-2018, 03:37 PM
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Fear? It is a reality that happens every single day in this country Keith. Like 99.99% of gun owners, I will never use it to harm anybody but if someone ever enters my family's private place, you are damn right I am going to have the means to protect them. A phone call does nothing if someone is standing there in front of you with a weapon of their own. You could be dead before anyone gets there
Wayne---you are preying on people's fears. But let's say, for argument's sake, you are correct. You have a handgun, not an AR15.

P.S. I don't make a phone call. My alarm goes off. As soon as it does a central monitoring station calls us. If no one answers, or someone answers and does not know the password, the cops are there in minutes. Where I live, these types of crimes virtually never happen.
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Well I hope we arent hinging on pretending the AR 15 is a hunting gun

I want a weapon thats efficient. Why do I need to sugar coat that
"Efficient" for what ? Hunting deer ? Or gunning down schoolchildren ?
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youre smarter than this. stricter gun control doesnt equal a lower homicide rate in most cities. some have the highest rates per capita.

new york is the exception not the rule
Chicago=gun free zone
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Old 02-15-2018, 04:03 PM
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Old 02-15-2018, 05:09 PM
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"Efficient" for what ? Hunting deer ? Or gunning down schoolchildren ?
He pulled the fire alarm Keith and the hall flooded with children. It wasn't like he was picking off specific kids from 100 yards away. He could have done the exact same damage standing there with my handgun spraying bullets. You are being very naive thinking the ar-15 was the difference in anything. It wasn't
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Old 02-15-2018, 05:22 PM
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"Efficient" for what ? Hunting deer ? Or gunning down schoolchildren ?

Efficient if I need to kill. I dont intend on killing school children

but I dont intend on hunting with an AR 15 nor do I need to obfuscate that fact.

its for self defense, anyone who told you an AR 15 is for hunting is lying, but Im saying why would I lie

Its within the law to own firearms for a sole purpose of self defense

you created the dichotomy that its either for hunting or killing school children, its false

does this routine work with your kids?
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I know people who love hunting deer, duck and rabbit with the AR-15
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Have you ever bought a gun Keith? I cannot think of anything harder to buy. There is a process and a deep one. I couldn't believe the shit I had to go through when I bought my 1st gun. There were others who were denied while I stood there waiting. It isn't easy and there are many reasons to deny you. If someone has a clean record, they can get one. Stolen and black market weapons are a much bigger issue. This kid could have been stopped with all the red flags he put up
They're as easy as buying a pack of cigarettes in Florida. Private sales have no background check and I'm able to transport my handgun to the range with no concealed carry. I bought my 9mm from my nephew, there's only a 3 day waiting period to purchase a handgun through a dealer.
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They're as easy as buying a pack of cigarettes in Florida. Private sales have no background check and I'm able to transport my handgun to the range with no concealed carry. I bought my 9mm from my nephew, there's only a 3 day waiting period to purchase a handgun through a dealer.
Well you kind of agreed with me. What else do you buy that requires a 3 day waiting period through a dealer? Anything? We do not need a conceal license to carry here either and there is no waiting period but you have to fill out all the questions on their computer and wait to hear back from the government check, while you wait there.
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No waiting period or background check on private sales, I bought mine from my nephew and took it home from the shooting range.
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When i was growing up kids in our neighborhood would walk down the road with there shotguns or rifles and nobody thought anything about it.Let one of the kids be carrying that gun in a unsafe way and a ass whipping was on the way by parents.Parents taught kids right from wrong.Its a parent thing guys not a gun thing
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Efficient if I need to kill. I dont intend on killing school children

so what exactly do you "need to kill" ?
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No waiting period or background check on private sales, I bought mine from my nephew and took it home from the shooting range.

How can anyone possibly think this is OK ??
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so what exactly do you "need to kill" ?
honestly keith?

theres no reason to own a firearm if youre not prepared to use it if need be

the whole point is preparation, and hopefully never have the need to use it
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Do not take my guns

Do no take my parents or inlaws guns, which are soon to be ours

And do not take my grandparents guns or my wife's grandparents guns, which also, are soon to be ours and hand downed to our 2 boys

Having said that, why in the hell would anyone need an AR-15?
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•AR-15-platform rifles are among the most popular firearms being sold. They are today’s modern sporting rifle.

•The AR in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”

•AR-15-style rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.” An assault rifle is fully automatic — a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.

•If someone calls an AR-15-style rifle an “assault weapon,” he or she either supports banning these firearms or does not understand their function and sporting use, or both. Please correct them. “Assault weapon” is a political term created by California anti-gun legislators to ban some semi-automatic rifles there in the 1980s.

•AR-15-style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger.

•Versions of modern sporting rifles are legal to own in all 50 states, provided the purchaser passes the mandatory FBI background check required for all retail firearm purchasers.

•Since the 19th century, civilian sporting rifles have evolved from their military predecessors. The modern sporting rifle simply follows that tradition.

•These rifles’ accuracy, reliability, ruggedness and versatility serve target shooters and hunters well. They are true all-weather firearms.

•Chamberings include .22, .223 (5.56 x 45mm), 6.8 SPC, .308, .450 Bushmaster and about a dozen others. Upper receivers for pistol calibers such as 9 mm, .40, and .45 are available. There are even .410 shotgun versions.

•These rifles are used for many different types of hunting, from varmint to big game. And they’re used for target shooting in the national matches.

•AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag.

•The AR-15 platform is modular. Owners like being able to affix different “uppers” (the barrel and chamber) to the “lower” (the grip, stock).

•And, they are a lot of fun to shoot!
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So in other words it's a "want" not a need

The anti gun can argue all day long that any gun is a "want" and not a nessesity

The pro gun will argue all day long that guns are a nessesity and I will be on the side of this argument

I have the need to hunt and have the need to protect with the guns in my possession, I do not need an AR-15 other than an ego, bragging rights, or attention or killing as many people as I can

On the flip sides of this coin, one does not go in to a school, shoot however many people, killing 17, then walk off and go to a WalMart to buy a coke and browse around shopping ......... that is a mental wack job and something is wrong chemically
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