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Old 02-16-2018, 12:17 AM
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If guns are ever taken away from law obiding citizens its the remake of Nazi Germany..Oh we will protect you..How did that turn out folks?Just last week here in my city cop was being severly beaten until concealed carry owner put a stop to it really quick!!!You never hear the good gun stories because all news channels are the liberal fucks paid for by the left!!!Sorry if I hurt some Obama/Clinton lovers feelings!
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How can anyone possibly think this is OK ??
I agree with you.
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:24 AM
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If guns are ever taken away from law obiding citizens its the remake of Nazi Germany..Oh we will protect you..How did that turn out folks?Just last week here in my city cop was being severly beaten until concealed carry owner put a stop to it really quick!!!You never hear the good gun stories because all news channels are the liberal fucks paid for by the left!!!Sorry if I hurt some Obama/Clinton lovers feelings!
It is not about Obama/Clinton. It is about protecting schoolchildren. Why do so many people ignore that distinction ?

As for a lawful "concealed carry owner", I have no issue with that. I have issue with the ability of a deranged 19 year old to walk into a store and by a weapon that will allow him to gun down dozens of people in minutes. Or how about the guy in Vegas ? How in anyone's right mind can they argue that it was OK for him to do what he did, because he was "exercising his 2nd amendment rights" ??

Oh and by the way, it turns out that the school in Parkland had an armed security guard on campus. A lot of good that did. All you people should go down to Parkland and tell the people who are burying their children that your rights to own an assault weapon are more important.

I won't say anything further on the subject. But rest assured, if it happened to your child or grandchild, you would feel differently. Asking for an end to these weekly massacres is hardly comparable to Nazi Germany.
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A day after the tragic mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Chicago Cubs star Anthony Rizzo called for change.

"While I don't have all the answers, I know that something has to change, before this is visited on another community, and another community, and another community," Rizzo, a 2007 graduate of the school, said Thursday night at a candlelight vigil for the victims of Wednesday's massacre.

Seventeen people, including students and school workers, were killed when a gunman opened fire with a semiautomatic rifle at the school in South Florida.

Rizzo left Cubs training camp in Arizona on Wednesday and was one of about two dozen speakers who addressed a crowd of thousands who came out to show their support at the Parkland Amphitheater.

"I come home to Parkland to what should be everybody's first concern, and that's showing our kids out there -- the students at Stoneman Douglas and of Broward County and from all over the country -- that we care about their lives and about their future," Rizzo said. "I've been very impressed with talking to the students and how they're taking care of each other and how they're coming together. I'm so grateful to the teachers, the coaches, the administration and all the first responders that tried to protect them."

Wearing a black polo shirt with a red ribbon pinned above his right chest, Rizzo was seated on the amphitheater stage along with spiritual leaders, government officials and family members of the deceased.

Rizzo took part in a moving candle-lighting ceremony as the names of the 17 victims were read aloud. Shortly after that, he took the podium and spoke for four minutes, pledging his support to an emotional crowd that included his mother, father and fiancée.

"I am only who I am because of this community," Rizzo said. "And I just want all of you to know how proud I am to be a part of this community. I want you to know that you're not alone in your grief. We're all grieving with you. The entire country is grieving with you. So whatever comfort I can give, I will give. Whatever support I can offer to our students, teachers, coaches and families and first responders, you'll have it."

Rizzo showed his support during Thursday's hourlong ceremony by rising to his feet several times to join thunderous ovations as Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel and others made impassioned pleas for "common sense gun laws."

"I promise you we're going to be mourning, grieving and a bit broken for a while," Rizzo said during his speech. "We're human. But I promise the cameras are going to move on. The demands of everyday life will intrude again. Classes will start again. The seasons are gonna change, and the sun is going to rise. And all we'll have left is each other.

"We don't know who's hiding their sadness or feelings of guilt and loneliness, or who needs help and is too proud or afraid to ask. So we have to be there for each other, we have to cope with our pain, and we have to live each other's pain. We have to be the best possible versions of ourselves."

After the vigil concluded, Rizzo declined to speak with reporters. It's unknown how long he'll remain in Parkland before rejoining the Cubs in Arizona.

Manager Joe Maddon exchanged text messages Wednesday night with Rizzo in the aftermath of the nation's deadliest school attack in five years. He said the team was "all for" Rizzo leaving spring training to offer support in Parkland.

"Told him to get back to us if there's anything that we can do to help," Maddon said earlier Thursday. "I definitely want him to go back there and become involved, as he should. It's just horrible. ... What are the proper words right now? I don't even know what the proper words are except that 'we're there for you.'"

Cubs outfielder Albert Almora Jr., who is from outside Miami, recalled Rizzo hitting at his old high school a couple of times last season, noting, "I'm sure he still has a lot of connections there."

Before starting drills, the Cubs huddled together on the grass under cloudy skies following more morning rain.

"It's an awful situation," Almora said. "The only thing we can do is come together. Obviously we're all here for Anthony and for that school and all those families."

Maddon called Rizzo "the rock on the field" for the Cubs.

"Please go. Please take your time," was the manager's message to Rizzo. "Please do what you think you need to do and let us know is there some way that we can become involved and help."
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:18 AM
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It is not about Obama/Clinton. It is about protecting schoolchildren. Why do so many people ignore that distinction ?

As for a lawful "concealed carry owner", I have no issue with that. I have issue with the ability of a deranged 19 year old to walk into a store and by a weapon that will allow him to gun down dozens of people in minutes. Or how about the guy in Vegas ? How in anyone's right mind can they argue that it was OK for him to do what he did, because he was "exercising his 2nd amendment rights" ??

Oh and by the way, it turns out that the school in Parkland had an armed security guard on campus. A lot of good that did. All you people should go down to Parkland and tell the people who are burying their children that your rights to own an assault weapon are more important.

I won't say anything further on the subject. But rest assured, if it happened to your child or grandchild, you would feel differently. Asking for an end to these weekly massacres is hardly comparable to Nazi Germany.
I would love to see where one person said it was ok to kill people because it was their 2nd amendment right. I have not seen one person say that keith. Right to own and right to murder are planets apart and you should know that.

Yes, one officer on duty. That was known since the 1st minute in to the story. One officer for what, 6 buildings and 3,200 students? Why have any? If you want to secure the school, secure the school. That means one armed officer at the entry of EVERY building and maybe an additional officer roaming the grounds. You show force in several areas and this shit will stop. The problem is, nobody wants to pay for it. Nobody, but then they are angry when this happens? They need to put the right security in place and they need to do it now.

The AR is also not an assault rifle. That is you following the lead on that one. If it is an assault weapon, add 100 others to the list too because they can do a hell of a lot more damage than the AR does.

Let's say the AR-15 is banned. Do you think the next shooter is going to say "Well I was going to shoot up the school today but since I cannot use an AR-15 I guess I will not do it". That is absurd Keith and it will change nothing. You can get semi automatic handguns that do the exact same thing and they are easier to conceal and enter with. So we ban the AR and they start using a semi auto handgun and then we come out crying that that gun needs to be banned too? And then the next one and the next one? Just say you want guns banned because banning 1 particular model does nothing to solve your issue if 100 others that do the same thing exist.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:32 AM
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Pictures worth a thousand words.

My deer rifle looks like this:
It works exactly the same as an AR-15. According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of murders committed with a rifle.

This is an interesting fact, particularly amid the Democrats’ feverish push to ban many different rifles, ostensibly to keep us safe of course.


Only five Florida men named Nikolas Cruz (with a k). He was not named Donald Trump so FBI did not have the time. Too much time wasted by "the boots" because "the suits" orders were to investigate Russian collusion. In 1998 there were two boots on the Ben Laden desk while five were on the "Diversity desk,". In the 1990s Milwaukee police were running 290 officers low because they could not hire more white people. Black people did not apply.

Search for "more guns less crime chart". Many out there.

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Old 02-16-2018, 08:48 AM
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All you people should go down to Parkland and tell the people who are burying their children that your rights to own an assault weapon are more important.
Just FYI, when one uses the propaganda term "assault weapon," it promotes fear and confusion, and adds nothing to a reasonable argument.

The left and the media have been very successful inserting the term into the national debate, and to the general public, it makes it sound like there are regular people out there with stockpiles of military-grade weapons. Surprisingly, despite all the years that mass shootings have been in the public eye, there are public figures, politicians, media pundits, and millions of citizens who don't know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic. I heard one of the kids at the school on the day of the shooting describing the gunfire by saying, "It was fully automatic."

I've heard multiple interviewees, in "man on the street"-type of interviews, say things like, "No one needs to own a machine gun!" They've seen multiple pictures of the "scary-looking" AR-15 and heard the term "assault weapon" a million times, so they feel like they understand the debate and are clearly on the right side. The problem is, most of the "information" they have is gun-control propaganda.
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The gunman who opened fire on his former high school, killing 17 people Wednesday, was linked to a white supremacist group that sought to create a "white ethnostate" in Florida.

A spokesperson for the group, called Republic of Florida (ROF), admitted that accused gunman Nikolas Cruz, was associated with the group, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

Cruz, 19, has been charged with premeditated murder after killing 17 people and injuring 14 more at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Individuals claiming to be ROF members identified Cruz as a group member on the discussion forum 4chan, according to the Anti-Defamation League
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"white supremacist" is the new satanic panic from the 1980s fed to out of touch boomers

tons of kids visit 4chan lol, and 4 chan has a lefty /pol/ too

ROF [Republic of Florida} lol
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Not saying its true, but the first search results for this came from The Grio and the Daily Kos, so not sure this is truly verified, and even if it was, it doesn't seem relevant.

Besides, how does a white guy killing white people get a "white supremacy" message across?
As suspected, this "white supremacy" angle is untrue.

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Leon County law enforcement sources told the Tallahassee Democrat that they could not find information linking Cruz, 19, to the Republic of Florida Militia, as first reported by the group’s self-proclaimed leader Jordan Jereb.

The claims to the Anti-Defamation League and The Associated Press by ROF leader Jereb, who is no stranger to Tallahassee law enforcement, set off a firestorm Thursday at about midday that Cruz was connected to the alt-right, white nationalist group.

Leon County Sheriff’s Office Lt. Grady Jordan said investigative work Thursday did not yield any connections.

“We are still doing some work but we have no known ties between the ROF, Jordan Jereb or the Broward shooter,” Jordan said.
Jordan Jerub, the ROF representative, is now backtracking on his original claim that Cruz was associated with them. He claims he was tired and confused, and that there are multiple people named Nikolas in their group (Yeah, right.) Jerub also claims that he was misunderstood, as well as blaming the "jew media."
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actual white nationalists ( albeit just tech savvy kids in their 20s) invented the ROF meme as a prank

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•AR-15-platform rifles are among the most popular firearms being sold. They are today’s modern sporting rifle.

•The AR in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”

•AR-15-style rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.” An assault rifle is fully automatic — a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.

•If someone calls an AR-15-style rifle an “assault weapon,” he or she either supports banning these firearms or does not understand their function and sporting use, or both. Please correct them. “Assault weapon” is a political term created by California anti-gun legislators to ban some semi-automatic rifles there in the 1980s.

•AR-15-style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger.

•Versions of modern sporting rifles are legal to own in all 50 states, provided the purchaser passes the mandatory FBI background check required for all retail firearm purchasers.

•Since the 19th century, civilian sporting rifles have evolved from their military predecessors. The modern sporting rifle simply follows that tradition.

•These rifles’ accuracy, reliability, ruggedness and versatility serve target shooters and hunters well. They are true all-weather firearms.

•Chamberings include .22, .223 (5.56 x 45mm), 6.8 SPC, .308, .450 Bushmaster and about a dozen others. Upper receivers for pistol calibers such as 9 mm, .40, and .45 are available. There are even .410 shotgun versions.

•These rifles are used for many different types of hunting, from varmint to big game. And they’re used for target shooting in the national matches.

•AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chamberthought oed in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag.

•The AR-15 platform is modular. Owners like being able to affix different “uppers” (the barrel and chamber) to the “lower” (the grip, stock).

•And, they are a lot of fun to shoot!
5 of last 6 mass shootings were done w/AR-15's. shooters must have thought it was "fun"
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6 of last 6 mass shootings were done by people who were clearly mentally unstable. If anything, you guys have a mental health issue over there, not a gun issue. The % of legal gun owners who haven’t committed a crime and are mentally stable, far outweigh those that are opposite of that. All newborns should be tested for genes that cause or might cause things such as depression and such. Those that are on SSRIs and other pharma drugs that are common with symptoms these shooters have, should be put on a list of every agency and tracked on all platforms, and not just social media.
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I used to own a licensed fully-automatic American Arms 180. I paid $1900 and sold it for $3300. As a trade-in, when I sold it, I used the trade to buy a few thousand dollars of Scandium revolvers sales tax-free just like a used car trade-in.


It fired the inexpensive 22LR. Anyone with no criminal history CAN buy a working M-16. They just are expensive.
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5 of last 6 mass shootings were done w/AR-15's. shooters must have thought it was "fun"
Most people that own a gun think they are fun to shoot bob. Thanks for the great insight.
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I think in order to solve this problem we need to understand why a person decides to spray bullets into a crowd. What drives a person to do this? Mental illness may be a part or it may not. It seems in this case the shooter was marginalized by the other students and the school. I think this aspect of the incident needs to be further explored. I think his childhood needs to be looked at too. There are probably several factors that lead up to the moment the trigger is pulled and understanding why would help prevent this in the future.
The gun is only the tool used to strike back against those who wronged the shooter. Taking away the gun won't prevent a bombing. We need to know why and what factors influenced his thinking.
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So funny how CNN and all the left wing nuts are blaming Trump for this and saying how it is on him and he needs to do something.

Really? Didn't we just have 8 years of a Democratic President leading this country? What did he do?

Not much except repeat the same shit over and over again after each one, but it's Trump's fault!

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Orlando nightclub shooting
June 12, 2016


"Today, as Americans, we grieve the brutal murder — a horrific massacre — of dozens of innocent people. We pray for their families, who are grasping for answers with broken hearts. We stand with the people of Orlando, who have endured a terrible attack on their city. Although it’s still early in the investigation, we know enough to say that this was an act of terror and an act of hate. And as Americans, we are united in grief, in outrage, and in resolve to defend our people.…

"We are still learning all the facts. This is an open investigation. We’ve reached no definitive judgment on the precise motivations of the killer. The FBI is appropriately investigating this as an act of terrorism. And I’ve directed that we must spare no effort to determine what — if any — inspiration or association this killer may have had with terrorist groups. What is clear is that he was a person filled with hatred. Over the coming days, we’ll uncover why and how this happened, and we will go wherever the facts lead us.…

"This is an especially heartbreaking day for all our friends — our fellow Americans — who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. The shooter targeted a nightclub where people came together to be with friends, to dance and to sing, and to live. The place where they were attacked is more than a nightclub — it is a place of solidarity and empowerment where people have come together to raise awareness, to speak their minds, and to advocate for their civil rights.

"So this is a sobering reminder that attacks on any American — regardless of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation — is an attack on all of us and on the fundamental values of equality and dignity that define us as a country. And no act of hate or terror will ever change who we are or the values that make us Americans.

"Today marks the most deadly shooting in American history. The shooter was apparently armed with a handgun and a powerful assault rifle. This massacre is therefore a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school, or in a house of worship, or a movie theater, or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing is a decision as well."

Kalamazoo Uber driver shootings
Feb. 22, 2016


"On Saturday, another one of our communities was terrorized by gun violence. As many of you read, six people were gunned down in a rampage in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Before I joined all of you, I called the mayor, the sheriff, and the police chief there, and told them that they would have whatever federal support they needed in their investigation. Their local officials and first responders, by the way, did an outstanding job in apprehending the individual very quickly. But you got families who are shattered today.

"Earlier this year, I took some steps that will make it harder for dangerous people, like this individual, to buy a gun. But clearly, we’re going to need to do more if we’re going to keep innocent Americans safe. And I’ve got to assume that all of you are just as tired as I am of seeing this stuff happen in your states. So that’s an area where we also need to partner and think about what we can do in a common-sense way, in a bipartisan way, without some of the ideological rhetoric that so often surrounds that issue."

San Bernardino community center shooting
Dec. 2, 2015


"The one thing we do know is that we have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world. And there are some steps we could take not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds that they don't happen as frequently: common-sense gun safety laws, stronger background checks.

"And so my hope is that we're able to contain this particular shooting, and we don't yet know what the motives of the shooters are, but what we do know is that there are steps we can take to make Americans safer, and that we should come together in a bipartisan basis at every level of government to make these are rare as opposed to normal. We should never think that this is something that just happens in the ordinary course of events, because it doesn't happen with the same frequency in other countries."

Roseburg community college shooting
Oct. 1, 2015


"There's been another mass shooting in America, this time in a community college in Oregon. That means there are more American families, moms, dads, children, whose lives have been changed forever. ...

"We talked about this after Columbine and Blacksburg, after Tucson, after Newtown, after Aurora, after Charleston. It cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun.

"And what's become routine, of course, is the response to those who oppose any kind of common-sense gun legislation. Right now, I can imagine the press releases being cranked out: 'We need more guns,' they'll argue, 'fewer gun safety laws.' Does anybody really believe that? ...

"And of course, what's also routine is that somebody somewhere will comment and say, 'Obama politicized this issue.' This is something we should politicize. It is relevant to our common life together, to the body politic....

"I hope and pray that I don't have to come out again during my tenure as president to offer my condolences to families in these circumstances. But based on my experience as president, I can't guarantee that. And that's terrible to say. And it can change."

Chattanooga recruiting center shooting
July 16, 2015


"My main message right now is obviously the deepest sympathies of the American people to the four marines that have been killed. It is a heartbreaking circumstance for these individuals who have served our country with great valor to be killed in this fashion. And although the families are still in the process of being contacted, I want them to know that I speak for the American people in expressing our deepest condolences and knowing that they have their full support — our full support as they try to overcome the grief that's involved here."

Charleston church shooting
June 18, 2015


"Michelle and I know several members of Emanuel AME Church. We knew their pastor, Reverend Clementa Pinckney, who, along with eight others, gathered in prayer and fellowship and was murdered last night. And to say our thoughts and prayers are with them and their families and their community doesn't say enough to convey the heartache and the sadness and the anger that we feel. Any death of this sort is a tragedy. Any shooting involving multiple victims is a tragedy. There is something particularly heartbreaking about the death happening in a place in which we seek solace and we seek peace, in a place of worship.

"We don't have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun."

Kansas Jewish Community Center shooting
April 14, 2014


"That this occurred now — as Jews were preparing to celebrate Passover, as Christians were observing Palm Sunday — makes this tragedy all the more painful. And today, as Passover begins, we're seeing a number of synagogues and Jewish community centers take added security precautions. Nobody should have to worry about their security when gathering with their fellow believers. No one should ever have to fear for their safety when they go to pray."

Second Fort Hood shooting
April 2, 2014


"Any shooting is troubling. Obviously, this reopens the pain of what happened at Fort Hood five years ago. We know these families. We know their incredible service to our country and the sacrifices that they make. Obviously, our thoughts and prayers were — are with the entire community. And we are going to do everything we can to make sure that the community at Fort Hood has what it needs to deal with the current situation, but also any potential aftermath.

"We're heartbroken that something like this might have happened again. And I don't want to comment on the facts until I know exactly what has happened, but for now, I would just hope that everybody across the country is keeping the families and the community of Fort Hood in our thoughts and in our prayers. The folks there have sacrificed so much on behalf of our freedom. Many of the people there have been on multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. They serve with valor, and they serve with distinction. And when they're at their home base, they need to feel safe."

Navy Yard shooting
Sept. 16, 2013


"So we are confronting yet another mass shooting, and today it happened on a military installation in our nation's capital. It's a shooting that targeted our military and civilian personnel. These are men and women who were going to work, doing their job protecting all of us. They're patriots, and they know the dangers of serving abroad, but today they faced the unimaginable violence that they wouldn't have expected here at home."

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting
Dec. 14, 2012


"We've endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years. And each time I learn the news, I react not as a President, but as anybody else would: as a parent. And that was especially true today. I know there's not a parent in America who doesn't feel the same overwhelming grief that I do.

"The majority of those who died today were children, beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old. They had their entire lives ahead of them: birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own. Among the fallen were also teachers, men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children fulfill their dreams.

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting
Aug. 6, 2012


"I think all of us recognize that these kinds of terrible, tragic events are happening with too much regularity for us not to do some soul searching and to examine additional ways that we can reduce violence. ..

"We don't yet know fully what motivated this individual to carry out this terrible act. If it turns out, as some early reports indicate, that it may have been motivated in some way by the ethnicity of those who were attending the temple, I think the American people immediately recoil against those kinds of attitudes, and I think it will be very important for us to reaffirm, once again, that in this country, regardless of what we look like, where we come from, who we worship; we are all one people, and we look after one another, and we respect one another."

Aurora movie theater shooting
July 20, 2012


"Even as we learn how this happened and who's responsible, we may never understand what leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings like this. Such violence, such evil is senseless. It's beyond reason. But while we will never know fully what causes somebody to take the life of another, we do know what makes life worth living. The people we lost in Aurora loved, and they were loved. They were mothers and fathers. They were husbands and wives, sisters and brothers, sons and daughters, friends and neighbors. They had hopes for the future, and they had dreams that were not yet fulfilled.

"And if there's anything to take away from this tragedy, it's the reminder that life is very fragile. Our time here is limited, and it is precious. And what matters at the end of the day is not the small things, it's not the trivial things, which so often consume us and our daily lives. Ultimately, it's how we choose to treat one another and how we love one another."

Tucson congressional event shooting
Jan. 8, 2011


"Gabby Giffords was a friend of mine. She is not only an extraordinary public servant, but she is also somebody who is warm and caring. She is well liked by her colleagues and well liked by her constituents. Her husband Mark Kelly is a Navy captain and one of America's valiant astronauts. It's not surprising that today Gabby was doing what she always does: listening to the hopes and concerns of her neighbors. That is the essence of what our democracy is all about. That is why this is more than a tragedy for those involved. It is a tragedy for Arizona and a tragedy for our entire country."

First Fort Hood shooting
Nov. 5, 2009


"My immediate thoughts and prayers are with the wounded and with the families of the fallen, and with those who live and serve at Fort Hood. And these are men and women who have made the selfless and courageous decision to risk and at times give their lives to protect the rest of us on a daily basis. It's difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas. It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil."
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So funny how CNN and all the left wing nuts are blaming Trump for this and saying how it is on him and he needs to do something.

Really? Didn't we just have 8 years of a Democratic President leading this country? What did he do?

Not much except repeat the same shit over and over again after each one, but it's Trump's fault!

Obama resume .......


Orlando nightclub shooting
June 12, 2016


"Today, as Americans, we grieve the brutal murder — a horrific massacre — of dozens of innocent people. We pray for their families, who are grasping for answers with broken hearts. We stand with the people of Orlando, who have endured a terrible attack on their city. Although it’s still early in the investigation, we know enough to say that this was an act of terror and an act of hate. And as Americans, we are united in grief, in outrage, and in resolve to defend our people.…

"We are still learning all the facts. This is an open investigation. We’ve reached no definitive judgment on the precise motivations of the killer. The FBI is appropriately investigating this as an act of terrorism. And I’ve directed that we must spare no effort to determine what — if any — inspiration or association this killer may have had with terrorist groups. What is clear is that he was a person filled with hatred. Over the coming days, we’ll uncover why and how this happened, and we will go wherever the facts lead us.…

"This is an especially heartbreaking day for all our friends — our fellow Americans — who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. The shooter targeted a nightclub where people came together to be with friends, to dance and to sing, and to live. The place where they were attacked is more than a nightclub — it is a place of solidarity and empowerment where people have come together to raise awareness, to speak their minds, and to advocate for their civil rights.

"So this is a sobering reminder that attacks on any American — regardless of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation — is an attack on all of us and on the fundamental values of equality and dignity that define us as a country. And no act of hate or terror will ever change who we are or the values that make us Americans.

"Today marks the most deadly shooting in American history. The shooter was apparently armed with a handgun and a powerful assault rifle. This massacre is therefore a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school, or in a house of worship, or a movie theater, or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing is a decision as well."

Kalamazoo Uber driver shootings
Feb. 22, 2016


"On Saturday, another one of our communities was terrorized by gun violence. As many of you read, six people were gunned down in a rampage in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Before I joined all of you, I called the mayor, the sheriff, and the police chief there, and told them that they would have whatever federal support they needed in their investigation. Their local officials and first responders, by the way, did an outstanding job in apprehending the individual very quickly. But you got families who are shattered today.

"Earlier this year, I took some steps that will make it harder for dangerous people, like this individual, to buy a gun. But clearly, we’re going to need to do more if we’re going to keep innocent Americans safe. And I’ve got to assume that all of you are just as tired as I am of seeing this stuff happen in your states. So that’s an area where we also need to partner and think about what we can do in a common-sense way, in a bipartisan way, without some of the ideological rhetoric that so often surrounds that issue."

San Bernardino community center shooting
Dec. 2, 2015


"The one thing we do know is that we have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world. And there are some steps we could take not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds that they don't happen as frequently: common-sense gun safety laws, stronger background checks.

"And so my hope is that we're able to contain this particular shooting, and we don't yet know what the motives of the shooters are, but what we do know is that there are steps we can take to make Americans safer, and that we should come together in a bipartisan basis at every level of government to make these are rare as opposed to normal. We should never think that this is something that just happens in the ordinary course of events, because it doesn't happen with the same frequency in other countries."

Roseburg community college shooting
Oct. 1, 2015


"There's been another mass shooting in America, this time in a community college in Oregon. That means there are more American families, moms, dads, children, whose lives have been changed forever. ...

"We talked about this after Columbine and Blacksburg, after Tucson, after Newtown, after Aurora, after Charleston. It cannot be this easy for somebody who wants to inflict harm on other people to get his or her hands on a gun.

"And what's become routine, of course, is the response to those who oppose any kind of common-sense gun legislation. Right now, I can imagine the press releases being cranked out: 'We need more guns,' they'll argue, 'fewer gun safety laws.' Does anybody really believe that? ...

"And of course, what's also routine is that somebody somewhere will comment and say, 'Obama politicized this issue.' This is something we should politicize. It is relevant to our common life together, to the body politic....

"I hope and pray that I don't have to come out again during my tenure as president to offer my condolences to families in these circumstances. But based on my experience as president, I can't guarantee that. And that's terrible to say. And it can change."

Chattanooga recruiting center shooting
July 16, 2015


"My main message right now is obviously the deepest sympathies of the American people to the four marines that have been killed. It is a heartbreaking circumstance for these individuals who have served our country with great valor to be killed in this fashion. And although the families are still in the process of being contacted, I want them to know that I speak for the American people in expressing our deepest condolences and knowing that they have their full support — our full support as they try to overcome the grief that's involved here."

Charleston church shooting
June 18, 2015


"Michelle and I know several members of Emanuel AME Church. We knew their pastor, Reverend Clementa Pinckney, who, along with eight others, gathered in prayer and fellowship and was murdered last night. And to say our thoughts and prayers are with them and their families and their community doesn't say enough to convey the heartache and the sadness and the anger that we feel. Any death of this sort is a tragedy. Any shooting involving multiple victims is a tragedy. There is something particularly heartbreaking about the death happening in a place in which we seek solace and we seek peace, in a place of worship.

"We don't have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun."

Kansas Jewish Community Center shooting
April 14, 2014


"That this occurred now — as Jews were preparing to celebrate Passover, as Christians were observing Palm Sunday — makes this tragedy all the more painful. And today, as Passover begins, we're seeing a number of synagogues and Jewish community centers take added security precautions. Nobody should have to worry about their security when gathering with their fellow believers. No one should ever have to fear for their safety when they go to pray."

Second Fort Hood shooting
April 2, 2014


"Any shooting is troubling. Obviously, this reopens the pain of what happened at Fort Hood five years ago. We know these families. We know their incredible service to our country and the sacrifices that they make. Obviously, our thoughts and prayers were — are with the entire community. And we are going to do everything we can to make sure that the community at Fort Hood has what it needs to deal with the current situation, but also any potential aftermath.

"We're heartbroken that something like this might have happened again. And I don't want to comment on the facts until I know exactly what has happened, but for now, I would just hope that everybody across the country is keeping the families and the community of Fort Hood in our thoughts and in our prayers. The folks there have sacrificed so much on behalf of our freedom. Many of the people there have been on multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. They serve with valor, and they serve with distinction. And when they're at their home base, they need to feel safe."

Navy Yard shooting
Sept. 16, 2013


"So we are confronting yet another mass shooting, and today it happened on a military installation in our nation's capital. It's a shooting that targeted our military and civilian personnel. These are men and women who were going to work, doing their job protecting all of us. They're patriots, and they know the dangers of serving abroad, but today they faced the unimaginable violence that they wouldn't have expected here at home."

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting
Dec. 14, 2012


"We've endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years. And each time I learn the news, I react not as a President, but as anybody else would: as a parent. And that was especially true today. I know there's not a parent in America who doesn't feel the same overwhelming grief that I do.

"The majority of those who died today were children, beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old. They had their entire lives ahead of them: birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own. Among the fallen were also teachers, men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children fulfill their dreams.

Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting
Aug. 6, 2012


"I think all of us recognize that these kinds of terrible, tragic events are happening with too much regularity for us not to do some soul searching and to examine additional ways that we can reduce violence. ..

"We don't yet know fully what motivated this individual to carry out this terrible act. If it turns out, as some early reports indicate, that it may have been motivated in some way by the ethnicity of those who were attending the temple, I think the American people immediately recoil against those kinds of attitudes, and I think it will be very important for us to reaffirm, once again, that in this country, regardless of what we look like, where we come from, who we worship; we are all one people, and we look after one another, and we respect one another."

Aurora movie theater shooting
July 20, 2012


"Even as we learn how this happened and who's responsible, we may never understand what leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings like this. Such violence, such evil is senseless. It's beyond reason. But while we will never know fully what causes somebody to take the life of another, we do know what makes life worth living. The people we lost in Aurora loved, and they were loved. They were mothers and fathers. They were husbands and wives, sisters and brothers, sons and daughters, friends and neighbors. They had hopes for the future, and they had dreams that were not yet fulfilled.

"And if there's anything to take away from this tragedy, it's the reminder that life is very fragile. Our time here is limited, and it is precious. And what matters at the end of the day is not the small things, it's not the trivial things, which so often consume us and our daily lives. Ultimately, it's how we choose to treat one another and how we love one another."

Tucson congressional event shooting
Jan. 8, 2011


"Gabby Giffords was a friend of mine. She is not only an extraordinary public servant, but she is also somebody who is warm and caring. She is well liked by her colleagues and well liked by her constituents. Her husband Mark Kelly is a Navy captain and one of America's valiant astronauts. It's not surprising that today Gabby was doing what she always does: listening to the hopes and concerns of her neighbors. That is the essence of what our democracy is all about. That is why this is more than a tragedy for those involved. It is a tragedy for Arizona and a tragedy for our entire country."

First Fort Hood shooting
Nov. 5, 2009


"My immediate thoughts and prayers are with the wounded and with the families of the fallen, and with those who live and serve at Fort Hood. And these are men and women who have made the selfless and courageous decision to risk and at times give their lives to protect the rest of us on a daily basis. It's difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas. It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil."
I agree Wayne...Everybody blames the president as if he did the shootings or inspired them..Over 300 million guns in America!!That means there are shitloads of citizens that own guns for the right reasons!!(hunting,self protection,target shooting,etc)One POS does this and it reflects on us all...I would say hire armed gaurds for schools across America...Maybe metal detectors too but there is always to much issue on the gun owners that are responsible...And Keith I was not targeting you...I don't even know who you voted for and don't care as that's every Americans choice..Now get us some CBB winners my friend!
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Some thoughts on this.....

If we ever decide to ban guns, the people that wanted the guns banned won't be here, plain and simple. Americans wouldn't give in to the government, it be chaos.

When I was stabbed multiple times, they could have kept going. They didn't with help from a handgun. There is NO way I'm here without an illegal handgun.

The people with alarms coward and caved in every time.

Everyone has a price.

Nothing will stop someone on a mission.

I agree on the thought "wait to it happens to you" But you have to realize the other side, now you have built up anger and you show no remorse. You guys want to know how it is from both sides? Welcome to my world I've been living.



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Con control has half the congress so messed up they will not spend money to make schools hardened targets. A single entrance with simple metal detector manned by an armed guard. The guard just posts a wait 5 minutes sign after locking the door for potty breaks.This would be safe but that is not gun control so it is a no go.

The football coach Aaron Fei put himself in the path of children. Imagine if he was not in a gun-free school. He could have saved all shot after him.

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All schools are gun free zones;Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 - Wikipedia

AND 1994

Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 - Wikipedia
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Florida Gov. Rick Scott calls for FBI director to resign in wake of Florida school shooting:

"The FBI’s failure to take action against this killer is unacceptable ...The FBI Director needs to resign.”


Says the Governor of a state with some of the weakest gun control laws in the nation.
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I came across this from a fool who posts 24/7/365 across the street and is an "expert" on every subject ...


"What makes him crazy? Because he snapped one day? If a guy is fully aware of what he's doing and plans an event, he's not crazy. Certainly a normal person doesn't carry out violence but some people snap and commit murder. It doesn't make them certifiably crazy".


Mentally stable people don't carefully plan out a mass murder. What he pulled off is the true definition of a mentally ill / shithouse crazy person. Anyone saying this kid should not be labeled as mentally ill is beyond fucking clueless.
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FBI dropped the ball big time on this. Finally, the left wing nuts have someone to blame.
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I came across this from a fool who posts 24/7/365 across the street and is an "expert" on every subject ...


"What makes him crazy? Because he snapped one day? If a guy is fully aware of what he's doing and plans an event, he's not crazy. Certainly a normal person doesn't carry out violence but some people snap and commit murder. It doesn't make them certifiably crazy".


Mentally stable people don't carefully plan out a mass murder. What he pulled off is the true definition of a mentally ill / shithouse crazy person. Anyone saying this kid should not be labeled as mentally ill is beyond fucking clueless.
I agree. IMO anybody that kills another person is mentally ill and fucked up. You do not do that unless you got demons in your head somewhere. And this guy didn't snap as he said. It was well planned out.
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well the FBI fucked up, so not sure what Texas gun rights

(thats what we call it. -- not lack of gun control) have to do with him calling them out

most are aware but for those who arent

the FBI was tipped when the kid posted on youtube in September of last year



they literally said it would be too hard to track him down to question

yet his username is his real name, only 5 people in Florida have that combination of first and last name with that spelling of Nikolas.

seems like its worth noting the FBI fucked up

plus although it had nothing to do with calling out the FBI



Texas is middle of the pack for homicide rates.
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