Black Jack System

[Football-head]

I know I might get quite a bit of criticism for this, but I heard about a system in black jack that has been working fairly well for me and a couple of friends.

First of all, this is not a guaranteed sure fire way to make money, but if you stick with the system, it does do fairly well.

Here is how it works:

You start with a bank roll that you would be comfortable losing (always key in any form of gambling).

1) So you sit at the table and bet X amount. You lose the first hand.
2) Second hand you bet 2X amount. You win. Now you are up X amount.
3) You return to betting only X amount.
4) Should you lose; you continue to double your bet from the previous hand amount until you win or lose all your money.
5) Never double down on any hand whatsoever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6) Never split your cards unless you are dealt two ACES!!!


Example
You sit at a table with let's say $3,100.00
You bet $100 in your first hand and you lose. In the second hand you bet $200 and you lose. So now you are down $300. In the next hand you bet $400 and you lose (-$700). In the next hand you bet $800 and let's say you win (+$100). Now in the next hand after you won, you go back to betting $100 and let's say you lose (-$100). The next hand you bet $200 and you win (+$200 total).... and so forth.

*** I know in the example that I showed, you would be "SOL" after four losing hands based on $3,100.00 bank roll.***

So what would be the key to minimizing your loses BASED ON THIS SYSTEM without having such a large bankroll?

Playing smaller hands such as starting off with let's say $25 for the first hand. This will give you 3 extra hands before you go broke, but you would need a bankroll of $3,175.00. You could also start off with $10 for the first hand and doubling it to let's say $1,280 maximum for the last hand. this will give you 8 hands with a total bankroll of $2,550 before you lose it all.

*** Please note that I have used a few negative words like broke and lose in explaining this system because nothing is guaranteed. ***

The key behind all of this is discipline. Who cares if everyone on the table thinks you are nuts for not doubling down or splitting your cards when you should have. IT'S YOUR MONEY.

For fun, you could get a couple of friends and a couple of decks or more of cards and try it out with them. As a matter of fact you could have it where one or more individuals utilizes the system and a couple don't and see where each person is at after 10 minutes or after 20 hands. To make it more interesting, allot each person a bankroll of let's say $1,000.00 or even $5,000.00, but try to make it as realistic as possible.

Remember, no guarantees in any form of gambling, but it has been a system that has worked out for me and a couple of friends.


FH

[Football-head]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention a couple of other things:

NEVER SURRENDER any hand, no matter what the dealer is showing!!!

Also, the more of a bankroll you have the more you will be able to stay alive. The concept behind this theory is that (although not impossible), it's hard to lose like 7 hands or more in a row.


FH

[Davydave]

5) Never double down on any hand whatsoever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6) Never split your cards unless you are dealt two ACES!!!

Sorry... can't get excited over that. It is a modified version of the 2-1-2-3-4... system, but rules 5 & 6 are suicidal.


Thanks for sharing the idea, strategy is always appreciated.
I would like to see how this performs for you in the long term.
Keep us up to date if you continue using it on a regular basis.

[Football-head]

Originally Posted by Davydave

Sorry... can't get excited over that. It is a modified version of the 2-1-2-3-4... system, but rules 5 & 6 are suicidal.


Thanks for sharing the idea, strategy is always appreciated.
I would like to see how this performs for you in the long term.
Keep us up to date if you continue using it on a regular basis.

I thought the same thing, but when you double down; let's say on your 3rd hand after losing the first two, and then you lose the third hand on doubling down... how do you compensate for that on the persuing hands?

I guess, each person will play how they ultimately want to play, but as I mentioned, this system is working very good for me and a few friends.


FH

[Bisket]

You will end up broke

15+ losing hand streaks are not uncommon

[Football-head]

Originally Posted by Bisket23

You will end up broke

15+ losing hand streaks are not uncommon

As I stated, this is not a sure fire way for winning, but how many people do you know go to casino's with a couple or a few grand only to come out broke anyway? This system at least improves your odds assuming you play every hand consecutively and not skip a hand after a loss or losses.


FH

[yoffff]

Originally Posted by Football-head

As I stated, this is not a sure fire way for winning, but how many people do you know go to casino's with a couple or a few grand only to come out broke anyway? This system at least improves your odds assuming you play every hand consecutively and not skip a hand after a loss or losses.


FH

Your system has some merit but for example if you bet just $10 per hand by your sixth losing hand you would be betting $320 so you would be $630 in the hole after only six hands. To keep the numbers down I use the same rules as you but I play to win two hands in a row. To use $10 as an example you always bet something over HALF you are down. Lose first hand Bet $8 on the second hand if you win you bet $8 again on the third hand and so on. So if you lose six hands in a row with this system you would only be down $112 depending on how you halve your bets. Playing to win two hands in a row does happen you build up money slowly this way but it does keep the numbers down. When you win two hands in a row you go back to your first bet.

[SecretStash]

This has been known for years and is definitly not fail proof as u have explained

It is called the MARTINGALE SYSTEM

You bet $5 and you lose.
Your next bet is $10. If you lose:
Your next bet is $20. If you lose:
Your next bet is $40. If you lose:
Your next bet is $80. If you lose:
Your next bet is $160. If you lose:
Your next bet is $320. If you lose:
Your next bet is $640, which exceeds the maximum bet for the table.



There is TWO MAJOR PROBLEMS with this system.

#1 ) in order to make the system in your favor over time (10000 to 1 IF U ARE MAKING THE BET) ..u need to have 3.6 million dollars available to go to a 21st chase of the system. AND THIS IS WITH A 10$ STARTING BET(in other words dream on.)

2) every vegas casino or any casino for that matter knows about this system hence why most poker tables have a 5 min and 500 maximum or (in ur case 100$ bet would be 100 Min (high roller)/ 10000 max) ...so u could only chase up to 5 - 8chases which is definitly NEVER GOING TO WORK - IN LONG RUN...short term yes maybe


sorry but in BLACK JACK this system is horrible



try using this system in some other vegas table games and a few of them are REAL PROFITABLE.

I suggest using a game where the odds are tougher to hit like 6 to 1 or more!

that way u stick with ur initial bet UP TO 6 times...and could TRUTHFULLY hit the 6 to 1 in the first try or 2nd or third (etc)..in other words u are gettin way more than BJ money pay back.

Even 2 to 1 is smarter for your system.


GL
i actually have found one game that not many casinos hve where this is profitable in the 2500$ range in 1 hour and only has 600$ risk, but not sure I wanna give it away , cuz I think im one of a 100 million that has worked on it forever....maybe I will reconsider if u gimme reason' ..lol


GL bro


-stash

[jonnyblaze]

Lived in Vegas in the late 90's. Palace Station- I got 5 blackjacks in a row, something like 7 out of 10 hands ,2 on double downs. I made $3200. Best 1.5 hours in a year of playing semi pro cards.

Same month, i cant remeber what Casino (Arizona Charlies I think). Saw a guy lose at least 13 hands in a row in Black Jack (I came in while he was already losing). He lost like ten times what I won. Who has better odds there?

Let me tell you something about blackjack. The systems arent mathmatical, they are tactical and feel. Unless oyu have a team to play an outrageous amount of casino bkalcjack impletmenting a system with a slight edge, you will lose.

House wins on two busts.....people never talk about it but that is what gives the house it's advantage, a big one.

[sportsfan]

I use double down on losses all the time on table games sometimes it works sometimes I go home broke. Not a way to make a living by any means.

[jim1701]

Why not change rule #3 to 1/2X instead of original X. That way you add more chances to hit a possible run of luck...

seems like your system is set up with the thinking you're gonna get a winning run at one time...the more you halve what you've won...the more chances it will be to get to that winning run...if there is such a thing.

[Kentaro]

Originally Posted by Bisket23

You will end up broke

15+ losing hand streaks are not uncommon

yeah I remember I lost 24 hands in a row at betjamaica in 2006 and havent even clicked the casino since. How the hell can the dealer hit blackjack 3x in a row? And when I hit 21 the dealer kept hitting 21.

[fat greek]

Hey Football-head,

Thanks for posting buddy~ I have just finished playing 10,000 + hands of BlackJack over the last 5-6 months. What you are describing is the Martingale System as one of the posters has mentioned above, it can be played on the Pass/Don't Pass in craps, or Red/Black in Roulette, or blackjack. In the long-run it doesn't work out. I don't say that to be rude or argumentative or any other reason, just don't want to see you get burned by the casino! You can avoid the one long losing streak for a while, but it will bite you in the long run. I have a buddy who used to play this system with Roulette (not a good idea at all, especially in the U.S. where there is an extra Green number as opposed to Europe). He won for a while over the course of a few months but then lost big time twice. We did the math on this for him and basically the odds of losing 8 times in a row were something like 1035 to 1! So you can go a long time without losing The problem is, when you lose, it will take you close to 1100 wins in a row (without a loss) to make up for that one big loss! This is statistically impossible!

Over the course of the last 6 months, I saw a lot of runs of eight wins in a row one way or another, so be careful bud!

Try learning to count cards or there are some other money management tricks that work much better (although you need to play perfect basic strategy). Also, you can buy software that test BlackJack systems really easily and quickly on the computer. It is a $50 investment, but worth it for sure in the long run...

Hey Stash, always interested in what you've got to say????

G/L Football-head, but be careful with that system...

[Football-head]

Originally Posted by Kentaro

yeah I remember I lost 24 hands in a row at betjamaica in 2006 and havent even clicked the casino since. How the hell can the dealer hit blackjack 3x in a row? And when I hit 21 the dealer kept hitting 21.

That's an online service... right??? That should answer your question. As I tell my friends; "You don't know who is on the other side." Sorry for your losses, but that should teach most of us not to play those online games. Just for the record, I am 110% against any online casino games.


FH

[Football-head]

To all posters in this thread. Thank you for your input, but I am a firm believer in this system. So far it has done me good. I also see many individuals trying to tweek the system by insisting on doubling down, splitting, or altering the wager amount after certain losses/wins, and maybe that's why the system does not work for you. Ultimately, DISCIPLINE, is the key and not what you might think may work for you. Then again, if you are making money in the system that you are using, then keep doing what you are doing. I am by no means trying to tell anyone how to play, I was just sharing a system that has worked for me.

Good luck all and much profit.



FH