Casinos on cruise ships, why not airplanes?

[The Judge]

By: Professor I Nelson Rose
3 December 2007

First Ryanair plans to expand its in-flight gambling.

As Michael O'Leary told reporters when they announced their intention to add cell phones: "If you want a quiet flight, use another airline. "Ryanair is noisy, full and we are always trying to sell you something."

The discount airliner believes gambling can bring in so much money that it will eventually be able to let everyone fly for free. This is the overly optimistic view common to entrepreneurs with no gaming experience.

Ryanair is already operating its own lottery system, with scratchers. Tickets are sold once the planes enter international waters and only to "residents of countries on Ryanair routes." Very few passengers bought tickets on a flight I took from Santander, Spain to Stansted, UK in June 2005. Still, the profits can be tremendous. The statement, "A contribution will be made to children's charities in the UK, Ireland and throughout Europe," is the closest its literature comes to telling players the odds.

This isn't the first time airlines have thought about onboard gambling. Singapore Airlines once installed two slot machines, only two feet tall with plastic rather than metal cases to save weight, at the back of a plane. In the late 1990s, Swissair introduced on-board video gambling, followed by Lauda Air. Singapore tried again. Harrahs entered into a joint venture with Sky Games.

But a terrible crash and U.S. laws ended the experiments. Swissair flight 111 crashed off Peggys Cove, Nova Scotia on September 2, 1998. There is a moving memorial on the rock-strewn coast for the 229 people who died in sight of the land. It was, and still is, generally accepted that the MD-11 was brought down by a fire caused by the onboard entertainment and gambling system.

Swissair had been operating under an exemption to an American law, the Gorton Amendment, passed in 1994, prohibiting gambling on planes flying into or out of the U.S. Senator Slade Gorton (R.-Wash.) had fought gambling before. In fact, his opposition to Indian gaming eventually led to his not being reelected, when gaming tribes contributed millions of dollars to his opponent.

Like the airlines, U.S. cruiseships faced strong competition from foreign carriers in the 1990s. Anti-gambling fervor in the 1950s had resulted in federal laws making it a crime for U.S. flagships to even carry slot machines. Ships sailing under the flags of foreign nations were exempt, and would open their casinos as soon as they reached international waters. The situation got so bad that by 1990 there were only three U.S. flagged cruiseships in the world, sailing between the ports of Hawaii.

Congress reacted by passing the United States-Flag Cruise Ship Competitiveness Act of 1991. The aim, and the result, was a level playing field on the high seas. American and foreign operators now operate under the same rules, with gambling usually allowed once the ship leaves U.S. territorial waters.

But when Northwest Airlines lobbied Congress to permit gambling on international flights, to compete against foreign carriers, the reaction was exactly the opposite. Rather than allowing U.S. airlines to also have gambling, Congress, without discussion or debate, passed the Gorton Amendment: "An air carrier or foreign air carrier may not install, transport, or operate, or permit the use of, any gambling device on board an aircraft in foreign air transportation."

The playing field had been leveled, but in such a way as to make it almost impossible for any airline to offer legal gambling. The prohibition on even installing or transporting a gambling device meant aircraft had to do without, even if there was only a slim chance they might enter U.S. airspace.
Foreign airlines and other nations naturally objected. They created the International Coalition on the Rule of Law. They argued that one country, even the U.S., cannot tell other countries what they can and cannot do outside of its borders.

Nations normally have the power to regulate their own flagships, once they are in or over international waters. This spring, the "Paul Gauguin," registered in the Bahamas but sailing out of Tahiti under a French flag, installed slot machines for the first time in its casino, because Bahamian and French law now allowed them. No one asked the U.S. government for its opinion, even though many, if not most, passengers were Americans.

But countries also have the right to protect their borders. The U.S. can demand that there be no gambling on ships or aircraft within its territory. The problem arises when it tries to extend that power into international water.

The Gorton Amendment probably violates civil aviation treaties signed by the U.S., as well as generally recognized international law. Its strongest argument is that foreign airlines are only bound by this American law if they choose to fly to the U.S. Ryanair can have gambling because it never enters U.S. airspace.

But the U.S. has, by treaties, agreed to allow aircraft from other nations which meet certain safety requirements to land and take off. There is no mention of gambling. Congress probably does not have the power to amend these treaties without the consent of the other countries.

More importantly, what would happen if other countries also tried to impose their moral views on the rest of the world? Actually, we already know. The U.S. is opposed to poker, lotteries, sports betting and casino games on the Internet. The result is that Internet gambling has become a very big business, but not for American operators.

©Copyright 2007. Professor I Nelson Rose is recognized as one of the world's leading experts on gambling law. His latest books, GAMING LAW: CASES AND MATERIALS and INTERNET GAMING LAW, are available through his website, www.GAMBLINGANDTHELAW.com.

[Dr. Jack]

Originally Posted by The Judge

More importantly, what would happen if other countries also tried to impose their moral views on the rest of the world? Actually, we already know. The U.S. is opposed to poker, lotteries, sports betting and casino games on the Internet. The result is that Internet gambling has become a very big business, but not for American operators.[/FONT]

Ain't that the truth - talking about missing the boat

[Chicago RED]

If there was a casino on airplanes it would be good, if they had sportsbooks on planes it would be great!

[skippy]

Because if the plane hits a pocket of turbulence.....there would be a big melee over the scattered chips.

Imagine diving under seats trying to recover a BLACK chip.

[Dr. Jack]

lol - Maybe just some video poker and slots on the back of all the seats

[Yankee23]

You can barely fit into a seat on a airplane and I'm not that fat.

Where are they going to put tables/slots?

[skippy]

Originally Posted by Dr. Jack

lol - Maybe just some video poker and slots on the back of all the seats

Then they would need someone to enforce the "age" issue.

Also, they would need a cashier on the plane.

[westcoastO]

Turbulence might cause controversy in roulette

[skippy]

Originally Posted by Dr. Jack

lol - Maybe just some video poker and slots on the back of all the seats

Imagine the fight over seating.

Some useful advice......put on those heavy duty casino style adult diapers before boarding the airplane.

[The Judge]

Imagine this:

The discount airliner believes gambling can bring in so much money that it will eventually be able to let everyone fly for free.

[skippy]

As long as you keep flying in circles above Nevada airspace.

[revnecro1273]

Originally Posted by Yankee23

You can barely fit into a seat on a airplane and I'm not that fat.

Where are they going to put tables/slots?

you are right...the american based airlines provide no comfort unless you are in first class...there is more comfort on eastern eruopean and african trains than can be found on an american based airline

[captaincapper]

I'm all for gambling while traversing great distances at fantastic speeds. You could probably fit a horse track in those new Airbus A380s.

[sound]

Originally Posted by revnecro1273

there is more comfort on eastern eruopean and african trains than can be found on an american based airline

and all you have to do is be in eastern europe or africa to enjoy them...