Does DOJ have a case?

[NewGuy1]

I realize that the G-men would not have arrested Carruthers, if they didn't think they had a possibility of prosecuting him. Saying that it's worth noting that the guy is not a citizen and hasn't broken a law yet! Are they planning on sticking phone bets to this guy? Or is it coincidence that all this takes place as a bill is being held up in the Senate at this time. I have to think that somewhere someone is putting pressure on the DOJ to put some heat on the offshore gaming industry. Sounds like we have a war going on between conservative politicians and the offshore gaming industries and the incredble power they're gaining.

It's worth noting that many os casinos and sportsbooks are major financiers in many politicians campaigns. To me that helps explain the stalling of the bill in the Senate. If that bill passes look at all the money that suddenly goes away. I think what we have here and what we will see in the future is this tug of war of money and power between right wing conservatives and the investors of the oscs.

IS this the the rantings of a conspiracy theorist? Opinions welcome.

[Romanowski]

my guess is the case against BoS has been building up and not something new

I heard they were taking bet on US soil via agents in Florida from 2000-2003

not to mention they and Bodog were the most visible books in the mainstream

I do not think beyong BoS we will be affected

[NewGuy1]

Originally Posted by Romanowski

my guess is the case against BoS has been building up and not something new

I heard they were taking bet on US soil via agents in Florida from 2000-2003

not to mention they and Bodog were the most visible books in the mainstream

I do not think beyong BoS we will be affected

Hope your right man. It's worht noting that Bodog prez. is staying out of country for the time being. MAy just be coincidence.

[Dr. Jack]

I think it seems clear they have a case vs a few individuals at the minimum

[The Judge]

I think that we can eventually expect to see more charges filed against the operators of offshore books that have been taking bets through "affiliate" sites. This servive has become more and more prevelant in the past year and is clearly illegal.

Affiliates pay a fee to the offshore book to maintain a gambling site for them and and then the affiliate performs the payouts and collections locally. I would not be surprised at all if this is the basis of the prosecutor's case against Carruthers.

[Dr. Jack]

Originally Posted by The Judge

I think that we can eventually expect to see more charges filed against the operators of offshore books that have been taking bets through "affiliate" sites. This servive has become more and more prevelant in the past year and is clearly illegal.

Affiliates pay a fee to the offshore book to maintain a gambling site for them and and then the affiliate performs the payouts and collections locally. I would not be surprised at all if this is the basis of the prosecutor's case against Carruthers.

Judge: Are you speaking about booking agents?

[The Judge]

Originally Posted by Dr. Jack

Judge: Are you speaking about booking agents?

Local bookies who run their operation through a secondary site set up by the offshore books. This has become very popular with locals over the last year with multiple ofshores offering this "affiliate" service. I believe that "booking agents" are what offshores call those that send them business and are compensated for it.

[Dr. Jack]

Originally Posted by The Judge

Local bookies who run their operation through a secondary site set up by the offshore books. This has become very popular with locals over the last year with multiple ofshores offering this "affiliate" service.

Yes that is what I mean. I just usually hear them being called "agents" as apposed to affiliates like this and other gambling sites which advertise for them.

I do also agree "agents" are part of the problem. I know MVP has been pushing one company for the last couple of years.

But I also think it's a bit more than that.

You know in any business where the law is “borderline” there are some that push the limits to far and it all adds up. Eventually you put a bullseye on your chest. I guess you can call it greed.

[NewGuy1]

Originally Posted by The Judge

Local bookies who run their operation through a secondary site set up by the offshore books. This has become very popular with locals over the last year with multiple ofshores offering this "affiliate" service. I believe that "booking agents" are what offshores call those that send them business and are compensated for it.

Wasn't aware of this Judge. Thanks for the informed info.

[cman]

I do know this that anyone who is a U.S. citizens or operates a business in U.S. is subject to our laws even being offshore....so individuals that think our laws stop at our borders are wrong....

wde

[The Judge]

Thank you counselor, I will keep this in mind as I plan my Costa Rican retirement.

[BigdaddyQH]

If you wager offshore, you had better be prepared to either develop a contact in Vegas,find a dependable bookie (which is illegal) or stop gambling. I do not pretend to know the outcome of the trial and what laws the government will pass, but needless to say, the "money" people I know are making other arrangements before the season starts. Most of them have transfered their funds to various cartels which have Vegas contacts. That certainly is the safest play. I got out of the game at the end of last season, leaving enough to play around with, not caring whether I win or not. I'll screw around with the off shore books that survive the investigation, but if I do any serious gaming, it will be in Vegas. If you have accounts with an offshore book that has closed for the time being, remember this. If they re-open for business, they have lost a lot of revinue and will be looking to make as much of it back as quickly as they can, before the other shoe drops. Consider yourselves warned.

[The Judge]

Originally Posted by BigdaddyQH

the "money" people I know are making other arrangements before the season starts. Most of them have transfered their funds to various cartels which have Vegas contacts.

The practice of using the so called "cartels" to place sports wagers in Vegas is as illegal as booking though a local and simply not available to the average bettor even if it was an interesting option.

To date, a single group of offshore books have been shut down by the indictments from the DOJ but this will have very little effect on the literally hundred of shops that are still, and in my opinion, will continue in a "business as usual" mode.

Offshore sports gambling will not be shut down for American bettors anytime soon, if ever. There is simply too much money involved and it has become too mainstream. The current House bill that is before the Senate will never even make it to the floor for debate, in my opinion and will die like the previous two nearly identical bills have.

Did anyone else notice the obvoius lack of lobbying by the offshore proponents during this bill's much ballyhooed "debate" in the House? The reason for this is that it would have been an incredible waste of time, effort and money and the backers of the bill still get what they wanted which is the perception that they want to bring an end to offshore gambling.

BD, I am well aware of your long standing affiliation with the gambling world and more speciffically Vegas but you will pardon me for my observation that your attitude on this is entirely too "pro Vegas" when the reality of the matter is that the offshore books have already taken over this multi-billion dollar a year industry.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by BigdaddyQH

If you wager offshore, you had better be prepared to either develop a contact in Vegas,find a dependable bookie (which is illegal) or stop gambling. I do not pretend to know the outcome of the trial and what laws the government will pass, but needless to say, the "money" people I know are making other arrangements before the season starts. Most of them have transfered their funds to various cartels which have Vegas contacts. That certainly is the safest play. I got out of the game at the end of last season, leaving enough to play around with, not caring whether I win or not. I'll screw around with the off shore books that survive the investigation, but if I do any serious gaming, it will be in Vegas. If you have accounts with an offshore book that has closed for the time being, remember this. If they re-open for business, they have lost a lot of revinue and will be looking to make as much of it back as quickly as they can, before the other shoe drops. Consider yourselves warned.

can you hook me up with a cartel or Vegas connection? Just asking.