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Old 05-08-2007, 09:00 PM
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Arrow "Expected Value" Of Starting Poker Hands...

Position
Cards SB BB 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 D
AA 2.71 2.82 2.49 2.52 2.74 2.78 2.80 2.74 2.88 2.96
KK 1.89 1.73 1.72 1.69 1.58 1.91 2.02 1.95 1.95 2.10
QQ 1.19 1.23 1.30 1.19 1.20 1.22 1.24 1.20 1.49 1.36
JJ 0.68 0.63 0.84 0.66 0.85 0.76 0.90 1.02 1.01 0.87
TT 0.37 0.35 0.45 0.52 0.43 0.42 0.45 0.54 0.50 0.56
99 0.17 0.16 0.33 0.14 0.31 0.34 0.26 0.26 0.26 0.23
88 0.11 0.08 0.20 0.07 0.15 0.19 0.16 0.26 0.21 0.26
77 -0.07 -0.01 0.04 0.11 0.08 0.15 0.09 0.19 0.17 0.15
66 -0.01 -0.07 -0.01 0.08 0.21 0.14 0.05 -0.02 0.06 0.14
55 -0.02 -0.11 0.02 -0.01 -0.04 -0.00 -0.00 -0.04 -0.00 0.08
44 0.05 -0.10 -0.09 -0.06 -0.01 0.11 0.02 0.02 -0.06 -0.04
33 -0.10 -0.16 -0.06 -0.03 -0.02 -0.04 -0.00 0.07 -0.04 0.04
22 -0.11 -0.10 -0.11 -0.02 -0.05 0.03 0.03 -0.06 -0.01 -0.12
AK 0.42 0.42 0.47 0.41 0.55 0.51 0.50 0.56 0.59 0.62
AK s 0.68 0.79 0.78 0.92 0.85 0.83 0.87 0.82 1.03 1.00
AQ 0.18 0.16 0.20 0.30 0.21 0.32 0.26 0.33 0.31 0.37
AQ s 0.59 0.51 0.51 0.59 0.54 0.49 0.70 0.66 0.66 0.64
AJ 0.03 0.11 0.03 0.10 0.10 0.07 0.16 0.09 0.20 0.15
AJ s 0.43 0.27 0.28 0.41 0.40 0.44 0.50 0.52 0.56 0.49
AT -0.08 -0.04 -0.07 -0.02 0.01 0.01 -0.01 0.03 -0.01 0.06
AT s 0.20 0.24 0.28 0.23 0.23 0.40 0.28 0.26 0.31 0.47
A9 -0.21 -0.18 -0.08 -0.11 -0.13 -0.07 -0.09 -0.12 -0.10 -0.03
A9 s 0.17 0.05 0.24 0.07 0.14 0.12 0.21 0.20 0.20 0.20
A8 -0.21 -0.28 -0.18 -0.08 -0.10 -0.09 -0.08 -0.17 -0.06 -0.09
A8 s -0.02 -0.13 0.12 0.03 0.18 0.07 0.08 0.03 0.11 0.15
A7 -0.22 -0.26 -0.14 -0.12 -0.11 -0.12 -0.15 -0.10 -0.10 -0.05
A7 s -0.06 -0.05 0.03 0.13 -0.01 0.09 0.27 0.10 0.01 0.07
A6 -0.29 -0.27 -0.18 -0.15 -0.12 -0.11 -0.13 -0.10 -0.13 -0.10
A6 s 0.01 -0.15 -0.14 0.05 -0.04 0.01 0.06 -0.04 0.01 0.01
A5 -0.25 -0.30 -0.12 -0.15 -0.12 -0.15 -0.12 -0.11 -0.08 -0.12
A5 s 0.13 0.02 0.09 0.06 -0.02 0.08 0.02 0.02 0.19 0.18
A4 -0.26 -0.30 -0.12 -0.11 -0.15 -0.13 -0.08 -0.10 -0.10 -0.10
A4 s -0.03 -0.06 0.03 0.04 0.06 0.05 0.19 0.03 0.18 0.08
A3 -0.28 -0.34 -0.17 -0.11 -0.12 -0.12 -0.09 -0.11 -0.12 -0.10
A3 s -0.12 0.02 -0.06 0.07 0.10 -0.08 -0.08 0.12 0.01 0.04
A2 -0.28 -0.35 -0.16 -0.14 -0.15 -0.15 -0.13 -0.09 -0.06 -0.14
A2 s -0.12 -0.14 -0.01 -0.03 0.06 0.03 0.03 -0.10 0.00 0.12
KQ 0.02 -0.01 0.05 0.16 0.08 0.09 0.13 0.15 0.15 0.17
KQ s 0.38 0.18 0.40 0.31 0.35 0.28 0.41 0.45 0.39 0.42
KJ -0.08 -0.16 -0.02 -0.02 -0.03 -0.04 0.05 0.01 0.08 0.06
KJ s 0.17 0.12 0.15 0.28 0.32 0.22 0.23 0.28 0.28 0.40
KT -0.20 -0.16 -0.08 -0.09 -0.05 -0.06 -0.05 -0.04 0.01 0.07
KT s 0.16 0.02 0.11 0.20 0.16 0.10 0.27 0.07 0.09 0.30
K9 -0.26 -0.21 -0.12 -0.10 -0.09 -0.11 -0.09 -0.10 -0.06 -0.05
K9 s -0.07 -0.03 -0.05 0.06 0.15 0.04 0.02 0.07 0.10 0.03
K8 -0.27 -0.28 -0.13 -0.09 -0.09 -0.06 -0.08 -0.07 -0.06 -0.08
K8 s -0.09 -0.11 -0.03 -0.01 -0.03 0.01 -0.10 0.08 0.00 0.00
K7 -0.26 -0.31 -0.13 -0.10 -0.07 -0.07 -0.09 -0.06 -0.05 -0.04
K7 s -0.07 -0.12 -0.08 -0.03 0.14 -0.03 -0.04 -0.03 0.04 -0.01
K6 -0.26 -0.32 -0.10 -0.05 -0.07 -0.06 -0.07 -0.06 -0.07 -0.07
K6 s -0.16 -0.16 -0.10 0.02 -0.03 -0.08 -0.06 0.07 0.01 -0.02
K5 -0.28 -0.34 -0.11 -0.08 -0.07 -0.09 -0.07 -0.08 -0.09 -0.03
K5 s -0.21 -0.13 -0.06 -0.04 -0.05 -0.01 0.01 -0.09 0.01 -0.01
K4 -0.30 -0.37 -0.11 -0.08 -0.07 -0.06 -0.08 -0.07 -0.06 0.01
K4 s -0.16 -0.07 -0.09 -0.09 0.04 -0.04 -0.08 -0.05 -0.04 -0.10
K3 -0.28 -0.37 -0.13 -0.07 -0.07 -0.07 -0.08 -0.06 -0.06 -0.05
K3 s -0.11 -0.12 -0.09 -0.12 -0.10 -0.02 -0.09 -0.01 -0.09 -0.05
K2 -0.27 -0.37 -0.11 -0.06 -0.06 -0.07 -0.07 -0.05 -0.05 -0.06
K2 s -0.15 -0.22 -0.16 -0.03 -0.07 -0.09 -0.10 -0.05 -0.00 -0.12
QJ -0.09 -0.12 -0.11 -0.08 -0.00 -0.09 0.03 -0.02 0.03 0.02
QJ s 0.18 0.07 0.16 0.10 0.17 0.31 0.10 0.20 0.36 0.24
QT -0.17 -0.16 -0.10 -0.07 -0.05 -0.09 -0.12 -0.02 -0.03 0.02
QT s 0.01 -0.02 0.04 0.11 0.13 0.03 0.15 0.14 0.13 0.07
Q9 -0.25 -0.22 -0.11 -0.11 -0.05 -0.09 -0.08 -0.04 -0.06 -0.06
Q9 s -0.07 -0.12 -0.05 0.13 0.07 0.06 -0.07 -0.01 -0.01 -0.00
Q8 -0.27 -0.30 -0.11 -0.10 -0.08 -0.09 -0.02 -0.07 -0.05 -0.07
Q8 s -0.10 -0.18 -0.07 -0.07 -0.12 0.01 0.02 -0.05 -0.08 0.02
Q7 -0.29 -0.33 -0.11 -0.07 -0.06 -0.07 -0.05 -0.06 -0.07 -0.05
Q7 s -0.18 -0.17 -0.04 -0.13 -0.10 -0.09 -0.03 -0.04 -0.07 0.04
Q6 -0.28 -0.38 -0.11 -0.07 -0.06 -0.06 -0.05 -0.05 -0.04 -0.07
Q6 s -0.21 -0.14 -0.17 -0.11 -0.05 -0.14 -0.03 -0.07 -0.03 -0.03
Q5 -0.31 -0.39 -0.11 -0.07 -0.04 -0.05 -0.03 -0.05 -0.04 -0.05
Q5 s -0.22 -0.14 -0.02 -0.02 -0.09 -0.04 -0.05 -0.12 -0.05 -0.09
Q4 -0.27 -0.40 -0.08 -0.05 -0.03 -0.04 -0.05 -0.04 -0.03 -0.05
Q4 s -0.19 -0.24 -0.09 -0.12 -0.11 -0.13 -0.08 -0.02 -0.05 -0.07
Q3 -0.27 -0.34 -0.12 -0.03 -0.05 -0.03 -0.05 -0.05 -0.04 -0.05
Q3 s -0.27 -0.33 -0.01 -0.13 -0.08 -0.01 -0.07 -0.14 -0.13 0.01
Q2 -0.31 -0.41 -0.11 -0.05 -0.05 -0.05 -0.05 -0.04 -0.04 -0.04
Q2 s -0.29 -0.24 -0.11 -0.09 -0.11 -0.11 -0.05 -0.12 -0.10 -0.07
JT -0.21 -0.19 -0.13 -0.10 -0.02 -0.07 -0.02 0.01 -0.03 -0.01
JT s 0.07 0.02 -0.04 0.09 0.02 0.14 0.16 0.13 0.19 0.15
J9 -0.21 -0.27 -0.16 -0.08 -0.07 -0.08 -0.10 -0.09 -0.08 -0.06
J9 s -0.03 -0.12 -0.10 -0.04 -0.09 -0.02 -0.01 -0.00 0.06 0.19
J8 -0.27 -0.26 -0.08 -0.08 -0.07 -0.07 -0.09 -0.04 -0.06 -0.06
J8 s -0.09 -0.23 -0.06 -0.19 -0.12 -0.03 -0.05 0.02 -0.01 -0.02
J7 -0.28 -0.34 -0.10 -0.07 -0.07 -0.04 -0.05 -0.04 -0.05 -0.05
J7 s -0.15 -0.23 -0.12 -0.01 -0.01 -0.11 -0.06 -0.07 -0.01 -0.07
J6 -0.28 -0.37 -0.07 -0.06 -0.05 -0.04 -0.04 -0.04 -0.04 -0.04
J6 s -0.20 -0.27 -0.18 -0.11 -0.16 -0.05 -0.03 -0.07 -0.07 0.00
J5 -0.28 -0.38 -0.11 -0.05 -0.06 -0.05 -0.05 -0.03 -0.05 -0.03
J5 s -0.26 -0.22 -0.18 -0.06 -0.09 -0.10 -0.14 -0.17 -0.08 -0.11
J4 -0.27 -0.38 -0.10 -0.04 -0.05 -0.04 -0.03 -0.04 -0.03 -0.04
J4 s -0.27 -0.20 -0.09 -0.03 -0.12 -0.04 -0.06 -0.10 0.06 -0.08
J3 -0.28 -0.43 -0.12 -0.05 -0.03 -0.03 -0.04 -0.03 -0.03 -0.03
J3 s -0.27 -0.31 -0.09 -0.06 -0.10 -0.14 -0.11 -0.07 -0.10 -0.03
J2 -0.28 -0.43 -0.09 -0.04 -0.04 -0.03 -0.04 -0.03 -0.02 -0.04
J2 s -0.28 -0.31 -0.12 -0.12 -0.09 -0.07 -0.01 -0.08 -0.10 -0.11
T9 -0.13 -0.31 -0.09 -0.07 -0.08 -0.07 -0.07 -0.09 -0.05 -0.06
T9 s -0.06 -0.11 -0.06 -0.02 0.10 -0.10 0.06 0.03 0.04 0.10
T8 -0.25 -0.29 -0.11 -0.06 -0.04 -0.06 -0.04 -0.05 -0.04 -0.05
T8 s -0.14 -0.16 -0.02 -0.08 0.00 0.00 0.04 0.04 0.07 0.08
T7 -0.26 -0.33 -0.07 -0.04 -0.02 -0.03 -0.01 -0.05 -0.03 -0.03
T7 s -0.17 -0.13 -0.13 -0.07 -0.04 -0.06 -0.09 0.04 0.06 -0.09
T6 -0.31 -0.36 -0.10 -0.04 -0.02 -0.01 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02 -0.03
T6 s -0.20 -0.32 -0.15 -0.12 -0.12 -0.06 -0.12 -0.07 -0.07 -0.04
T5 -0.29 -0.39 -0.09 -0.03 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02
T5 s -0.29 -0.22 -0.10 -0.07 0.01 -0.10 -0.06 -0.01 -0.03 -0.08
T4 -0.27 -0.40 -0.09 -0.03 -0.02 0.01 -0.02 -0.02 -0.01 -0.01
T4 s -0.25 -0.34 -0.12 -0.08 -0.08 -0.06 -0.12 -0.13 -0.05 -0.06
T3 -0.28 -0.41 -0.09 -0.03 -0.03 -0.01 -0.01 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02
T3 s -0.24 -0.30 -0.11 -0.08 -0.04 -0.04 -0.03 -0.05 -0.04 -0.12
T2 -0.28 -0.42 -0.10 -0.01 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02 -0.01 -0.01
T2 s -0.29 -0.30 -0.12 -0.10 -0.08 -0.07 -0.07 -0.09 -0.06 -0.10
98 -0.18 -0.32 -0.10 -0.07 -0.08 -0.05 -0.08 -0.05 -0.04 -0.09
98 s -0.03 -0.17 -0.11 -0.06 -0.15 -0.11 0.03 0.06 0.04 0.08
97 -0.22 -0.32 -0.09 -0.03 -0.04 -0.04 -0.02 -0.03 -0.05 -0.06
97 s -0.17 -0.12 0.05 -0.08 -0.04 0.05 -0.08 -0.02 -0.14 0.04
96 -0.29 -0.34 -0.09 -0.04 -0.02 -0.03 -0.04 -0.04 -0.02 -0.03
96 s -0.18 -0.22 -0.13 -0.10 -0.08 -0.08 -0.07 -0.09 -0.09 -0.04
95 -0.27 -0.39 -0.08 -0.04 -0.02 -0.02 -0.04 -0.02 -0.02 -0.03
95 s -0.22 -0.29 -0.12 -0.09 -0.10 -0.10 -0.08 -0.07 -0.08 -0.08
94 -0.28 -0.43 -0.09 -0.02 -0.02 -0.01 -0.02 -0.02 0.01 -0.02
94 s -0.29 -0.38 -0.11 -0.10 -0.08 -0.05 -0.08 -0.07 -0.12 -0.07
93 -0.26 -0.41 -0.08 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02 -0.01 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02
93 s -0.17 -0.39 -0.11 -0.07 -0.06 -0.16 -0.10 -0.03 -0.09 -0.09
92 -0.26 -0.39 -0.08 -0.02 0.01 -0.01 -0.01 -0.02 -0.02 -0.01
92 s -0.22 -0.34 -0.11 -0.07 -0.10 -0.09 -0.11 -0.11 -0.08 -0.09
87 -0.23 -0.32 -0.13 -0.08 -0.08 -0.08 -0.06 -0.08 -0.09 -0.08
87 s -0.16 -0.19 0.11 -0.01 -0.08 -0.05 -0.01 -0.08 -0.00 0.02
86 -0.25 -0.30 -0.09 -0.03 -0.05 -0.03 -0.04 -0.03 -0.03 -0.02
86 s -0.17 -0.22 -0.04 -0.09 -0.09 -0.07 -0.03 -0.05 -0.02 0.00
85 -0.25 -0.37 -0.07 -0.04 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02 -0.00 -0.02 -0.02
85 s -0.23 -0.28 -0.11 -0.10 -0.04 -0.10 -0.11 -0.05 -0.11 -0.03
84 -0.28 -0.38 -0.08 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02 -0.01 -0.02
84 s -0.19 -0.29 -0.12 -0.09 -0.10 -0.10 -0.08 -0.08 -0.15 -0.15
83 -0.29 -0.41 -0.08 -0.04 -0.01 -0.02 -0.01 -0.01 -0.01 -0.01
83 s -0.25 -0.31 -0.13 -0.08 -0.08 -0.09 -0.11 -0.06 -0.09 -0.12
82 -0.27 -0.40 -0.08 0.02 -0.01 -0.01 -0.02 -0.01 -0.01 -0.01
82 s -0.25 -0.35 -0.16 -0.08 -0.09 -0.08 -0.07 -0.06 0.06 -0.03
76 -0.25 -0.32 -0.07 -0.07 -0.04 -0.01 -0.06 -0.03 -0.02 -0.05
76 s -0.17 -0.10 -0.04 -0.03 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02 0.03 0.01 0.14
75 -0.27 -0.35 -0.07 -0.02 -0.02 -0.03 -0.01 -0.02 -0.02 -0.03
75 s -0.17 -0.25 -0.14 -0.08 -0.03 -0.06 -0.10 -0.05 -0.08 0.07
74 -0.27 -0.38 -0.07 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02 -0.01 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02
74 s -0.17 -0.24 -0.10 -0.10 -0.08 0.07 -0.06 -0.04 0.04 -0.07
73 -0.26 -0.42 -0.08 -0.03 -0.02 -0.01 -0.01 -0.02 0.00 -0.01
73 s -0.27 -0.33 -0.12 -0.10 -0.07 -0.10 -0.05 -0.08 -0.10 -0.08
72 -0.27 -0.41 -0.08 -0.03 -0.01 -0.02 -0.01 -0.02 -0.02 -0.01
72 s -0.26 -0.33 -0.13 -0.08 -0.08 -0.06 -0.06 -0.07 -0.08 -0.07
65 -0.27 -0.31 -0.07 -0.06 -0.05 -0.04 -0.05 -0.05 -0.05 -0.03
65 s -0.15 -0.23 -0.08 -0.07 -0.06 -0.06 -0.14 -0.02 0.08 -0.05
64 -0.27 -0.33 -0.08 -0.03 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02 -0.03 -0.02 -0.03
64 s -0.18 -0.21 0.08 -0.05 -0.06 -0.02 0.04 -0.03 -0.01 -0.04
63 -0.25 -0.37 -0.10 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02 -0.03
63 s -0.21 -0.30 -0.12 -0.15 -0.04 -0.12 -0.07 -0.08 0.00 0.04
62 -0.27 -0.41 -0.09 -0.01 -0.02 -0.01 -0.01 -0.01 -0.01 -0.01
62 s -0.25 -0.31 -0.07 -0.09 -0.07 -0.10 -0.07 -0.07 -0.08 -0.10
54 -0.27 -0.32 -0.08 -0.06 -0.05 -0.03 -0.06 -0.04 0.03 -0.06
54 s -0.19 -0.15 -0.08 -0.02 -0.04 -0.07 -0.01 -0.03 -0.00 0.01
53 -0.24 -0.33 -0.07 -0.03 -0.02 -0.02 0.01 -0.03 -0.03 -0.04
53 s -0.24 -0.27 -0.08 -0.07 0.04 -0.04 -0.10 -0.08 -0.08 -0.04
52 -0.25 -0.37 -0.09 -0.02 -0.03 -0.01 -0.02 -0.02 -0.01 -0.02
52 s -0.21 -0.30 -0.12 -0.11 -0.06 -0.10 -0.10 -0.02 -0.07 -0.02
43 -0.27 -0.36 -0.09 -0.07 -0.03 -0.04 -0.04 -0.02 -0.03 -0.05
43 s -0.25 -0.23 -0.03 -0.05 -0.07 -0.09 -0.08 -0.04 -0.06 -0.11
42 -0.26 -0.40 -0.09 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02 -0.02
42 s -0.29 -0.26 -0.18 -0.11 -0.07 -0.09 0.04 -0.07 -0.06 -0.03
32 -0.29 -0.41 -0.07 -0.05 -0.03 -0.04 -0.04 -0.04 -0.03 -0.04
32 s -0.17 -0.33 -0.13 -0.08 -0.10 -0.07 -0.09 -0.06 -0.09 -0.09


Total EV stats ordered by value

Cards EV Count
AA 2.32 521,324
KK 1.67 522,652
QQ 1.22 520,663
JJ 0.86 521,866
AK s 0.78 348,364
AQ s 0.59 348,759
TT 0.58 520,705
AK 0.51 1,048,008
AJ s 0.44 348,126
KQ s 0.39 346,772
99 0.38 522,454
AT s 0.32 348,013
AQ 0.31 1,042,962
KJ s 0.29 346,582
88 0.25 521,972
QJ s 0.23 348,870
KT s 0.20 348,774
A9 s 0.19 348,992
AJ 0.19 1,045,857
QT s 0.17 346,115
KQ 0.16 1,045,069
77 0.16 524,345
JT s 0.15 348,235
A8 s 0.10 349,431
K9 s 0.09 348,286
AT 0.08 1,047,289
A5 s 0.08 348,544
A7s 0.08 349,949
KJ 0.08 1,047,098
66 0.07 520,946
T9 s 0.05 348,264
A4 s 0.05 347,862
Q9 s 0.05 348,760
J9 s 0.04 349,965
QJ 0.03 1,044,338
A6 s 0.03 347,677
55 0.02 521,945
A3 s 0.02 347,895
K8 s 0.01 350,401
KT 0.01 1,045,392
98 s 0.00 348,759
T8 s -0.00 347,443
K7 s -0.00 348,341
A2 s 0.00 347,318
87 s -0.02 348,348
QT -0.02 1,047,827
Q8 s -0.02 348,381
44 -0.03 523,398
A9 -0.03 1,047,672
J8 s -0.03 348,046
76 s -0.03 347,540
JT -0.03 1,043,812
97 s -0.04 350,158
K6 s -0.04 347,029
K5 s -0.05 349,320
K4 s -0.05 348,681
T7 s -0.05 347,638
Cards EV Count
Q7 s -0.06 348,073
K9 -0.07 1,045,630
65 s -0.07 348,590
T9 -0.07 1,045,306
86 s -0.07 348,374
A8 -0.07 1,042,209
J7 s -0.07 345,009
33 -0.07 522,632
54 s -0.08 348,260
Q6 s -0.08 349,068
K3 s -0.08 348,865
Q9 -0.08 1,049,468
75 s -0.09 349,781
22 -0.09 524,131
J9 -0.09 1,044,150
64 s -0.09 349,689
Q5 s -0.09 350,110
K2 s -0.09 349,276
96 s -0.09 349,514
Q3 s -0.10 348,009
J8 -0.10 1,046,506
98 -0.10 1,044,759
T8 -0.10 1,048,779
97 -0.10 1,046,152
A7 -0.10 1,046,587
T7 -0.10 1,044,950
Q4 s -0.10 348,979
Q8 -0.11 1,048,251
J5 s -0.11 348,923
T6 -0.11 1,043,014
75 -0.11 1,047,447
J4 s -0.11 347,508
74 s -0.11 350,325
K8 -0.11 1,048,167
86 -0.11 1,047,524
53 s -0.11 346,930
K7 -0.11 1,043,698
63 s -0.11 346,449
J6 s -0.11 347,570
85 -0.11 1,048,159
T6 s -0.11 348,875
76 -0.11 1,046,722
A6 -0.12 1,046,762
T2 -0.12 1,047,032
95 s -0.12 348,477
84 -0.12 1,046,266
62 -0.12 1,049,495
T5 s -0.12 348,928
95 -0.12 1,044,601
A5 -0.12 1,046,285
Q7 -0.12 1,046,099
T5 -0.12 1,048,428
87 -0.12 1,044,635
83 -0.12 1,048,550
65 -0.12 1,045,971
Q2 s -0.12 348,912
94 -0.12 1,047,422
Cards EV Count
74 -0.12 1,043,278
54 -0.12 1,046,435
A4 -0.12 1,046,931
T4 -0.12 1,047,976
82 -0.12 1,043,638
64 -0.12 1,043,079
42 -0.12 1,043,357
J7 -0.12 1,046,565
93 -0.12 1,045,989
85 s -0.12 347,928
73 -0.12 1,047,020
53 -0.12 1,047,022
T3 -0.12 1,043,908
63 -0.12 1,044,818
K6 -0.12 1,045,039
J6 -0.12 1,045,991
96 -0.12 1,047,156
92 -0.12 1,049,342
72 -0.12 1,046,167
52 -0.12 1,049,213
Q4 -0.13 1,045,087
K5 -0.13 1,047,359
J5 -0.13 1,047,697
43 s -0.13 348,802
Q3 -0.13 1,047,649
43 -0.13 1,047,900
K4 -0.13 1,046,562
J4 -0.13 1,048,129
T4 s -0.13 350,639
Q6 -0.13 1,046,958
Q2 -0.13 1,046,353
J3 s -0.13 349,254
J3 -0.13 1,046,204
T3 s -0.13 349,673
A3 -0.13 1,046,970
Q5 -0.13 1,047,946
J2 -0.13 1,045,715
84 s -0.13 349,390
82 s -0.14 348,622
42 s -0.14 350,591
93 s -0.14 348,835
73 s -0.14 349,007
K3 -0.14 1,045,968
J2 s -0.14 348,259
92 s -0.14 347,868
52 s -0.14 348,401
K2 -0.14 1,048,521
T2 s -0.14 349,612
62 s -0.14 348,033
32 -0.14 1,044,956
A2 -0.15 1,047,979
83 s -0.15 349,355
94 s -0.15 348,259
72 s -0.15 348,368
32 s -0.15 349,794


The statistics are based on 115,591,080 pair of pocket cards dealt at the real money tables. The unit for EV is average profit in big bets.
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What does all this mean?
Lets look at a pair of Jacks :
SB=0.68, BB=0.63 in big blind you have 5% less chance of winning the hand.
If you hold QQ , SB =1.19,BB=1.23, so you're better off with 2 Q's in BB
Did you know that?
A pair of 7's has negative value small and big blind,
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yeah ... its b/c of position ... later position equals higher value
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Why does 22 have a better value in middle position then on the button?
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Why does 22 have a better value in middle position then on the button?

Some believe the prime position is to be the last player to make his move, that way he can see what all of the other players have done before he makes his move.
• Other opinions believe that it is best to be somewhere in the middle which gives you a chance to gauge the game and be in control.
In the Middle position try and be more aggressive with your marginal hands, if no one has bet before you. A bet here may drive out hands that could beat you later.
Do not go for a check raise as you may end up giving someone a free card .

In summary , a pair of 2's in the middle if no one else has bet ,
gives the middle player the opportunity to bet and drive out other players .


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results ., so a middle player with a 22 will likely drive out
a lot of button players if bet correctly ...
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I totally disagree with that. There is no way middle position is better than the button. NO WAY under any circumstance. If under the gun folds then the next two players fold and you raise say 4 times the BB and get reraise you're folding. If at least one other calls and the flop comes wtihout a two (7/8 times this will happen) you are out of position and will either make a contiuation bet which if reraised will fold or check. The likelyhood of you getting reraised as opposed to being on the Button and everyone else has folded is way greater. So you are more likely to get reraised when you're in middle position making it less value overall.
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Johnny , what you are trying to do by betting in the middle is :

Disguise your hand,
Try and "buy" the button(hope others behind you fold)
Or try to steal blinds

You'lll likely get a caller with an A.K for example
So if fllop comes up 5,9,Q rainbow they'll likely check to you and
you're in CONTROL of the hand again.

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I agree w/ Kramer

Thanks for the original post as well mate . . .
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in cash games i dont raise with pairs lower than 10s. i only raise with A-Q suited ot better. i limp with A-J, K-Q, those types of hands, suited or not. will play almost any 2 cards on the button in a non raised pot. in cash games i prefer to not be the agressor, i like to sneek people.

in tournies diff story. since there are no rebuys people will generally play tighter. depending on position ill raise with 7s and up, weaker high suited cards, k-j, q-j, k-10, a-j, a-10, mostly limp with those when unsuited in later position. i try not to play many hands 1-3 sports to the left of the BB, too much action behind me to be wasting a call. the button play is overrated until the blinds get higher, i.e. on poker stars 75-150. 90% of the time i continuation bet when in bad position, and 75% of the time that will take the pot down. i will bet 80% of the time if checked to me and i called a raise, or if im last to act i send a feeler. in a tourney the agressor will always do better. and dont be afraid to call a bet on the flop with nothing to raise on the turn. 60-70% of the time people will check the turn after their continuation bet and you can just fire a decent bet and take the pot
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Johnny , what you are trying to do by betting in the middle is :

Disguise your hand,
Try and "buy" the button(hope others behind you fold)
Or try to steal blinds

You'lll likely get a caller with an A.K for example
So if fllop comes up 5,9,Q rainbow they'll likely check to you and
you're in CONTROL of the hand again.

You're not playing you're cards , but the player ...
I understand the theory and it's good to mix it up when playing against people that you might play frequently with, but it doesn't matter when you play against people that don't know your game IMO. If somebody is raising my blind or button and their in middle position one of the hands I would put them on is a pocket pair and most likely can figure out if it's a small pair so it wouldn't disguise it by raising at all. Position is always better. Just makes me wonder who did the study and how they got all these hands.
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There's been much written on the subject of playing small pairs in Texas Hold'em. Small pairs consist of 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, 5-5 and 6-6. With so many words devoted to the topic, it's obvious that there are opposing theories regarding the best way to play them.

Here are my suggestions.

Unlike higher pairs, small pairs should not be played in all situations. Several factors determine whether you should enter a pot with a small pair: position, chip count, number of players, and cost to play.

In a typical ten-handed game, playing a small pair from early position simply won't show you a profit at the end of the year.

Your chip count and your opponent's stack size are also important considerations when deciding to call. If a player raises to 600 and only has 500 left, it's just not worth trying to catch trips on the flop, since you'll only be able to win an additional 500.

If, however, both you and your opponent have 30,000 in front of you, it makes more sense to see a flop for 600. If you're lucky enough to catch a set on the flop, you'll win a monster pot.

The number of players needs to be a considered, too, especially in a structured, limit game. Small pairs fare fine against one opponent, but generally don't do well in three or four-handed pots. However, if there are five or more players, you'd be getting excellent value. Go ahead and try to hit your set.

Small pairs want to see the flop as cheaply as possible. If someone just calls the big blind in front of you, then you can limp along for the minimum bet, hoping to capitalize after the flop. However, if the blinds are, say, 100-200, and an opponent raises the pot to 1,500, that's just too large a bet for you to stick around.

Once you've actually gotten to a flop, how you proceed depends on the number of opponents in the pot. If there are several players remaining, you should only continue if you flop three of a kind.

Against one or two opponents, though, you've got my green light to take one more shot at winning the pot. When choosing to do that, flop texture is of the utmost importance.

Suppose you're in a three-way pot and the flop comes Qh-10d-9h. This is a horrible flop for your lowly pair of fives; if anyone bets, fold. Even if they don't bet, you shouldn't try a bluff here, since it's far too likely that one of your opponents has something to go with that flop, like J-10 or Q-K.

A better texture would look something like Q-Q-3 or K-7-2.

With these flops, you can go ahead and bet your small pairs. Your opponents will probably fold unless they have a queen or king. If you consider yourself an aggressive player, you might try raising with these hands on occasion.

The best time to raise is when you're looking to steal the blinds. This strategy only works if no one has entered the pot before you. Also, being in late position increases the chances of the play being successful. If you raise from early position, there are too many hands to act behind you that might call.

When you raise with a small pair in position, you must play it strong after the flop. If an opponent in the blind calls your raise, then you must bet on virtually any flop -- even a flop as ugly as A-K-Q! Because you raised pre-flop, he'll think that you improved your hand. If he has a hand like Q-9, you'll probably win the pot with an aggressive bet.

Here's my rule of thumb: When playing small pairs, play them cheaply if you can, and only continue after the flop if you hit your trips.

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in cash games i dont raise with pairs lower than 10s. i only raise with A-Q suited ot better. i limp with A-J, K-Q, those types of hands, suited or not. will play almost any 2 cards on the button in a non raised pot. in cash games i prefer to not be the agressor, i like to sneek people.

in tournies diff story. since there are no rebuys people will generally play tighter. depending on position ill raise with 7s and up, weaker high suited cards, k-j, q-j, k-10, a-j, a-10, mostly limp with those when unsuited in later position. i try not to play many hands 1-3 sports to the left of the BB, too much action behind me to be wasting a call. the button play is overrated until the blinds get higher, i.e. on poker stars 75-150. 90% of the time i continuation bet when in bad position, and 75% of the time that will take the pot down. i will bet 80% of the time if checked to me and i called a raise, or if im last to act i send a feeler. in a tourney the agressor will always do better. and dont be afraid to call a bet on the flop with nothing to raise on the turn. 60-70% of the time people will check the turn after their continuation bet and you can just fire a decent bet and take the pot
some good stuff here
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Nice post Kramer, good way to play em IMO.
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