Here's the major hitch in the fixes theory

[dave nz]

OK firstly don't get me wrong I'm not saying points shaving and any sort of fixing doesn't take place in the pros.....


But here is a major hitch as far as I see it :

Basically I know someone here in NZ who is invloved in lined action. Now I thought to myself if (and I won't I'm not that kind of person) was to approach him and say hey can u make sure such and such doesn't happen in your match.....

ALL IT WOULD TAKE WOULD BE ONE person other than me or him to find out about any sort of fixing and the news would spread like wild fire.

C'mon most humans when they have some sort of major news cannot help but tell someone, then it spreads pretty quick.

Something to think about are u saying all players or officials involved in fixing and or point shaving in the US pros have managed to keep it to themselves all this time ???

C'mon that is pretty damn unlikely.

Again I'm not saying it doesn't happen what I'm saying is IMO its unlikely to be as common as some here think.

[Blackbeard Pimp]

I am not gonna say 100 percent I know for a fact but last week with the Knicks game against nets they were down 16 with 2 mins to go and covered the +5. Then memphis the other night and lakers and seattle last night....
kinda makes you wonder.

[mrwho]

Its all a matter of opinions, these fix discussions will go nowhere.

[jonnyblaze]

Originally Posted by dave nz

OK firstly don't get me wrong I'm not saying points shaving and any sort of fixing doesn't take place in the pros.....


But here is a major hitch as far as I see it :

Basically I know someone here in NZ who is invloved in lined action. Now I thought to myself if (and I won't I'm not that kind of person) was to approach him and say hey can u make sure such and such doesn't happen in your match.....

ALL IT WOULD TAKE WOULD BE ONE person other than me or him to find out about any sort of fixing and the news would spread like wild fire.

C'mon most humans when they have some sort of major news cannot help but tell someone, then it spreads pretty quick.

Something to think about are u saying all players or officials involved in fixing and or point shaving in the US pros have managed to keep it to themselves all this time ???

C'mon that is pretty damn unlikely.

Again I'm not saying it doesn't happen what I'm saying is IMO its unlikely to be as common as some here think.

Always the easiest way to beat the "fix" experts is to ask them ofr one single piece of proof. All that goes into a fix, all these games fixed every night, but never one little scrap of evidence from the hundreds (if you believe thses guys) that get fixed in the NBA every year is not only amazing, it is absurd.

[jonnyblaze]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard Pimp

I am not gonna say 100 percent I know for a fact but last week with the Knicks game against nets they were down 16 with 2 mins to go and covered the +5. Then memphis the other night and lakers and seattle last night....
kinda makes you wonder.

you hearing gossip from some guy in Vegas does not constitue a fix BBP. I lived in Vegas for many years, and the gambling conspiracy theories are like talking about the weather out there.

Gl with that though

[funkbunker2]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard Pimp

I am not gonna say 100 percent I know for a fact but last week with the Knicks game against nets they were down 16 with 2 mins to go and covered the +5. Then memphis the other night and lakers and seattle last night....
kinda makes you wonder.

I'm sorry, if i had a million dollars to your one i would be that game wasnt a fix. Vince threw up an airball that was about 2 inches from the rim with 2 seconds left. If the ball hits rim: Game Over. Then Francis 'fixes' his first game in NY by hitting a 3 from 35 feet as time expires. If people were to fix games to throw shitloads of cash on them, no way in hell it'd be as astronomically close as that was.

[skippy]

Originally Posted by dave nz

OK firstly don't get me wrong I'm not saying points shaving and any sort of fixing doesn't take place in the pros.....


But here is a major hitch as far as I see it :

Basically I know someone here in NZ who is invloved in lined action. Now I thought to myself if (and I won't I'm not that kind of person) was to approach him and say hey can u make sure such and such doesn't happen in your match.....

ALL IT WOULD TAKE WOULD BE ONE person other than me or him to find out about any sort of fixing and the news would spread like wild fire.

C'mon most humans when they have some sort of major news cannot help but tell someone, then it spreads pretty quick.

Something to think about are u saying all players or officials involved in fixing and or point shaving in the US pros have managed to keep it to themselves all this time ???

C'mon that is pretty damn unlikely.

Again I'm not saying it doesn't happen what I'm saying is IMO its unlikely to be as common as some here think.

First of all, why would a friend, even your best friend, do that for you???
He, and you, knows what the repercussions are if it was found out.

So you need some leverage. Do you have pictures of your friend in compromising positions??? If not, is he is in such dire financial need that he could be talked into doing it.

This is what leverage is all about. Making him do something that he otherwise would not do, but now, that is his only option.

[jonnyblaze]

Originally Posted by funkbunker2

I'm sorry, if i had a million dollars to your one i would be that game wasnt a fix. Vince threw up an airball that was about 2 inches from the rim with 2 seconds left. If the ball hits rim: Game Over. Then Francis 'fixes' his first game in NY by hitting a 3 from 35 feet as time expires. If people were to fix games to throw shitloads of cash on them, no way in hell it'd be as astronomically close as that was.

[skippy]

Here is an excerpt from the Michael Franzene interview on the Jim Rome show recently. If you have a "closed" mind, it won't matter what anyone says, a naysayer will always be a naysayer. "There is none so blind than those who will not see, and there's none so deaf than those who will not listen."



If you haven't heard an interview with Michael Franzese I would suggest listening to it right now. Of all the interviews I have done over the years, there are few conversations that are as riveting as the ones I have with Michael. He came into the studio on Wednesday to talk about his quest to inform athletes, and those associated with sports, about the dangers of gambling. If you’re dealing with a gambling problem and need some sobering up you probably want to hear what Michael has to say.

Mike is a former mafia capo who was known as one of the biggest money earners the mob had seen since Al Capone. He quit the mob, did his time in prison and is now working to educate people on how a gambling problem can lead to dealings with some very dangerous people.

I wanted to get his thoughts on the gambling ring organized by Rick Tocchet that involved Wayne Gretzky's wife Janet. He had plenty to say about that. The bottom line being is nothing good can come from an athlete or coach getting involved in high level gambling operations.

Michael admitted that he was on the other side of many point shaving schemes. When athletes would get backed into a corner financially, Michael and his guys would arrange for a method of payment. And that method including making sure their team didn't cover the spread on games.

I can't emphasize this enough. You want to hear this interview if you haven't already.

[T.O.P.]

Outcomes are influenced. I know this like I know there is no god.