Holdem Secret # 1 :

[Kramer]

By Daniel Negreanu :

I'm going to share a valuable no limit hold em tip with you that is used by every top professional poker player in the business.

You've likely heard things like poker isn't about the cards , its about reading people.
Well todays play illustrates how you can apply people reading skills
to a poker hand , regardless of the cards you hold .

The play is pre flop raise , otherwise known as coming over the top.
For example you're in a no limit hold em tourny , blinds are $ 100, $200 with $ 25 ante.

A "loose" player from the middle raises to $ 600. Everyone folds to you sitting on the dealer button. You have Q-3 offsuit.

Obviously this is a folding situation . But not so fast.
If you have a correct read on your opponent as a conservative player , you may easily take this pot down by coming over the top.

With a re-raise.
Including the loose players raise there's $1,125 in the pot ( $ 300 blinds , $225 ante-9 players , $ 600 raise ).
If you re-rase the bet to $2,600 chances are both blinds will fold (unless one of them is holding KK or AA , highly unlikely).
The action returns to mr $ 600 .
Unless you were wrong on your read of him , and he does hold a strong
hand , he'll likely fold .
More often than not (which is why pros do this)
your investment of $ 2600 wins you a pot of $ 1,125 and none of it has to do with the cards you're holding .

Basically you're laying 2-1 odds youre raise will win the pot.

But what happens if the guy calls? That's the tricky part.
Coming over the top works before the flop , not after it.
Since you opponent decided to look you up you must realize he has a strong hand.
You may take one more shot at the pot on the flop . However only proceed if you hit a miracle flop/

Because the over the top plays are designed for pre flop wins you don't want to use this on hands like 7,7 or 7s,8s.
With those hands you want to see a cheap flop and just call.

Here's another benefit of over the flop :
It helps stregthen your table image .
I hear players complain all the time
they never "catch" a hand or get bad luck .

Re-raising over the top
manufactures a nothing hand into somethig .

Adding todays play to your repertoire will help increase your chip count
with little risk . It also adds texture to your game.
And once your opponent sees you willing to go over the top ,
you'll get plenty of action when you catch an AA or KK .

[boldt]

Originally Posted by Kramer

By Daniel Negreanu :

I'm going to share a valuable no limit hold em tip with you that is used by every top professional poker player in the business.

You've likely heard things like poker isn't about the cards , its about reading people.
Well todays play illustrates how you can apply people reading skills
to a poker hand , regardless of the cards you hold .

The play is pre flop raise , otherwise known as coming over the top.
For example you're in a no limit hold em tourny , blinds are $ 100, $200 with $ 25 ante.

A "loose" player from the middle raises to $ 600. Everyone folds to you sitting on the dealer button. You have Q-3 offsuit.

Obviously this is a folding situation . But not so fast.
If you have a correct read on your opponent as a conservative player , you may easily take this pot down by coming over the top.

With a re-raise.
Including the loose players raise there's $1,125 in the pot ( $ 300 blinds , $225 ante-9 players , $ 600 raise ).
If you re-rase the bet to $2,600 chances are both blinds will fold (unless one of them is holding KK or AA , highly unlikely).
The action returns to mr $ 600 .
Unless you were wrong on your read of him , and he does hold a strong
hand , he'll likely fold .
More often than not (which is why pros do this)
your investment of $ 2600 wins you a pot of $ 1,125 and none of it has to do with the cards you're holding .

Basically you're laying 2-1 odds youre raise will win the pot.

But what happens if the guy calls? That's the tricky part.
Coming over the top works before the flop , not after it.
Since you opponent decided to look you up you must realize he has a strong hand.
You may take one more shot at the pot on the flop . However only proceed if you hit a miracle flop/

Because the over the top plays are designed for pre flop wins you don't want to use this on hands like 7,7 or 7s,8s.
With those hands you want to see a cheap flop and just call.

Here's another benefit of over the flop :
It helps stregthen your table image .
I hear players complain all the time
they never "catch" a hand or get bad luck .

Re-raising over the top
manufactures a nothing hand into somethig .

Adding todays play to your repertoire will help increase your chip count
with little risk . It also adds texture to your game.
And once your opponent sees you willing to go over the top ,
you'll get plenty of action when you catch an AA or KK .

why do you want to come over the top with q3 to a tight player

espically when he rasies??

he is more then likely to push all in....

[Kramer]

he is a "loose" player...

[Seanie Mac]

its not safe to do this, but with a loose player you need to always trap. if he outdraws congrats. pick up a hand like Q-Q for instance, and watch the flop cheap, if no A or K comes up let him fire at the flop and re-raise. you re-raise a loose player with Q-3 and he does call, and he bets the flop, you cant come over the top with nothing again because if he has any part, some kid of a draw, hes going nowhere.

now i would come over the top with a drawing hand like Q-J suited, J-10 suited, mid suited connectors and try and make a hand. But with Q-3, its just an ugly hand. if you have 7d-8d to his K-10 off suit, your not far behind.

tourney is different, once those chips are gone, so are you, in a cash game people will gamble more. so he raises with a shit hand like q-10 and you hold A-A, just call the raise and hope to get some more player, no matter what he bets on the flop bet 3x his bet. i will most likelt never slow play in a tourney unless 1. i a, guarenteed best position, or know noone behind is going to call. 2. feel that no matter what the flop brings, im going to risk my stack after the flop. people dont like being bullied with all ins after the flop especially after they lead out with a bet.

anyway, to get "creative" you need to be willing to gamble and have a nice stack. because if its a 2-5 NL cash game, and he raises to lets say 30. you come over to make it 80, you have to be willing to just lose 80 bucks like its nothing if he comes back over the top.

also you should not do this against medium to low stacks, because if they do push in, you most likely will have to call. big stacks will be willing to gamble, and may call your re-raise, but alot of people who built that up, dont want to give it away. where a low stack may be in a scramble double up or go to bed mode.

[cman]

nice post bro

wde

[cman]

Originally Posted by Seanie Mac

its not safe to do this, but with a loose player you need to always trap. if he outdraws congrats. pick up a hand like Q-Q for instance, and watch the flop cheap, if no A or K comes up let him fire at the flop and re-raise. you re-raise a loose player with Q-3 and he does call, and he bets the flop, you cant come over the top with nothing again because if he has any part, some kid of a draw, hes going nowhere.

now i would come over the top with a drawing hand like Q-J suited, J-10 suited, mid suited connectors and try and make a hand. But with Q-3, its just an ugly hand. if you have 7d-8d to his K-10 off suit, your not far behind.

tourney is different, once those chips are gone, so are you, in a cash game people will gamble more. so he raises with a shit hand like q-10 and you hold A-A, just call the raise and hope to get some more player, no matter what he bets on the flop bet 3x his bet. i will most likelt never slow play in a tourney unless 1. i a, guarenteed best position, or know noone behind is going to call. 2. feel that no matter what the flop brings, im going to risk my stack after the flop. people dont like being bullied with all ins after the flop especially after they lead out with a bet.

anyway, to get "creative" you need to be willing to gamble and have a nice stack. because if its a 2-5 NL cash game, and he raises to lets say 30. you come over to make it 80, you have to be willing to just lose 80 bucks like its nothing if he comes back over the top.

also you should not do this against medium to low stacks, because if they do push in, you most likely will have to call. big stacks will be willing to gamble, and may call your re-raise, but alot of people who built that up, dont want to give it away. where a low stack may be in a scramble double up or go to bed mode.

nice post bro

wde

[Kramer]

Originally Posted by Seanie Mac

its not safe to do this, but with a loose player you need to always trap. if he outdraws congrats. pick up a hand like Q-Q for instance, and watch the flop cheap, if no A or K comes up let him fire at the flop and re-raise. you re-raise a loose player with Q-3 and he does call, and he bets the flop, you cant come over the top with nothing again because if he has any part, some kid of a draw, hes going nowhere.

now i would come over the top with a drawing hand like Q-J suited, J-10 suited, mid suited connectors and try and make a hand. But with Q-3, its just an ugly hand. if you have 7d-8d to his K-10 off suit, your not far behind.

tourney is different, once those chips are gone, so are you, in a cash game people will gamble more. so he raises with a shit hand like q-10 and you hold A-A, just call the raise and hope to get some more player, no matter what he bets on the flop bet 3x his bet. i will most likelt never slow play in a tourney unless 1. i a, guarenteed best position, or know noone behind is going to call. 2. feel that no matter what the flop brings, im going to risk my stack after the flop. people dont like being bullied with all ins after the flop especially after they lead out with a bet.

anyway, to get "creative" you need to be willing to gamble and have a nice stack. because if its a 2-5 NL cash game, and he raises to lets say 30. you come over to make it 80, you have to be willing to just lose 80 bucks like its nothing if he comes back over the top.

also you should not do this against medium to low stacks, because if they do push in, you most likely will have to call. big stacks will be willing to gamble, and may call your re-raise, but alot of people who built that up, dont want to give it away. where a low stack may be in a scramble double up or go to bed mode.

sharp post

Daniels obviously talking about cash casino games where there's a lot of chips
and not on line poker tourney where everyone has 1500 chips

the key in all this is you must have read your player as a "loose" bettor and since he only bet $ 600 and reraise 4 times his bet , he will think about it
and often times fold

your wager is so much more , you're telling him your hand is better than his mediocre pair , etc