How would you solve the MLB hall of fame problem if you were the MLB hof commish?

[Dr. Jack]

There is so much debate on this. Now Buster Olney states writers should not vote on the Hall of Fame. I know MLB but does not decide this but should they?

How do you keep someone out of the hall if it's not proven, only you think he juiced?

What if someone who is in the HOF admits it later, down the road. Do you remove him?

Just let the numbers decide & add a simple footnote in the HOF

So that we can finally move on

1990 - 2006 is generally considered the steroid era. For years steroid testing was not in place and it is widely believed that everyone in baseball looked the other way. While there have been players who have admitted use there are also a percentage of players who were suspected to use performance enhancing drugs but never "convicted". While there were many ball players during this time who never used steroids, it's impossible for us to know. When you look back in history towards the steroid era, the possibility exists that numbers may have been inflated during this era.


Let people decide on what is real or not

How would you fix the problem?

[rjb1816]

they dont get in imo

[Romanowski]

I like what Buster said...the writers shouldnt be the morality police

let the Hall decide, and take a black and white stand

and then let the writers decide based on the on the field performance

[Dr. Jack]

Originally Posted by rjb1816

they dont get in imo

Who doesn't get in?

Anyone suspected? or only if admitted?

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by Dr. Jack

Who doesn't get in?

Anyone suspected? or only if admitted?

its really a fine line...because who knows what they were taking in the 70's but i know none of it was as sophisticated as the HGH and such of the present times. Either they all get in or none should is my thought...and if they do get in, there should be an asterisk or they go in to a certain part of the hall called the steroid era

[Dr. Jack]

Originally Posted by rjb1816

its really a fine line...because who knows what they were taking in the 70's but i know none of it was as sophisticated as the HGH and such of the present times. Either they all get in or none should is my thought...and if they do get in, there should be an asterisk or they go in to a certain part of the hall called the steroid era

Okay but only admitted usage?

Example, no proof Bonds juiced, lots of speculation, lots of stories, lots of everything but no proof

So what do we do about these types?

What about a guy like Clemens who never will admit it? What if he never gets convicted for perjury, etc

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by Dr. Jack

Okay but only admitted usage?

Example, no proof Bonds juiced, lots of speculation, lots of stories, lots of everything but no proof

So what do we do about these types?

What about a guy like Clemens who never will admit it? What if he never gets convicted for perjury, etc

MLB has the list that Arod was on and Papi was on. They need to release that list for the integrity of the game

[dhunter]

I would cut a hole the size of a normal human head in a piece of plywood. if you can't fit your head in the hole, you don't get in the HOF

[rda21]

I would have a "One Time" only, 30 day period, when all banned and implicated parties could offer a complete confession. There would never be another chance for this. I would include Pete Rose, who didn't cheat the game like others did. Anyone who confessed during this time would be welcomed back into MLB and allowed into the New Special Cheaters Wing only. The new Wing would be built in Needles, California. Anyone not coming forward at this time would receive a "permanent" Lifetime Ban from MLB.
Everyone makes mistakes, and deserves another chance, its the cover up thats actually worse than the original mistake. I take the same B-12 shot daily as Roger Clemens did. I'm lucky to get my car up to 95mph, not my fastball.......

[Bearsden]

i think a 2 part voting system would work. First part do you get in or not? (writers vote for both parts), second part is do they get an award ceremony and an acceptance speech. if no to the 2nd part there is an asterisk by your name, and you dont get to go there and celebrate.

I just feel it is a shame that guys like Clemens, Rose,and Bonds dont get in, reguardless of cheating, but I do like the idea of a 30 day confessional...

[cptkirk321]

First thing you do is get the vote out of the writers hands because they have shown way too many times that alterior motives do come into play with them(actually heard one say on radio who votes here in Toronto he never voted for Gary Carter because he didn't like him, well whoopy fawk whether you liked him or not, you are there to vote on whether between the lines he was a Hall of Famer, not whether he was a nice guy)

Next thing you do is put the vote in the hands of the people in the Hall of Fame. Now I am sure there would be some alterior motives in play for these guys as well but not nearly the same as with these moronic writers. Nine years ago Dawson not a hall of famer but today he is, what he had a great LAST 9 years on the field while retired to get in now, LOL!!!

As for the rest of the crap about whether somebody should get in because of the Steroid Era, it doesn't matter because unless you can find out every player whoever took steroids then it is all a mute point in my mind. Well Roger was on the juice, whoopey fawk but how many guys did he strike out were on the juice at the same time? Well ARod was on the juice, whoopey fawk how many homers did he hit off guys who were on the juice? Major League Baseball was/is just as guilty as every single player whoever took the juice because they could of dealt with this seriously many, many years ago and decided "Chicks Dig the Long Ball" and kept their heads in the sand. Hall of Fame in my mind is what did you accomplish between the lines and as much as you want to use moral arguments for this if the League running this sport didn't give a flying fawk whether they were on something or not and you have ZERO idea how many were then like every other player in the Hall of Fame you should be judged on what you did on the field of play and nothing else really matters.

[Ron Mexico]

Why do "writers" have a vote at all? They should have a 60/40 vote. The guys that are in the HOF and the current players. The writers have never played baseball and hold grudges against guys if they dont talk to them with respect.

It should all be up to the current and former players.

[GFootsXtreme]

The baseball owners and commissioner told you everything you need to know...

It took an ex-player writing a book to leak out what everybody had always known, that players were on 'roids

When this comes out, that the league has being doing this, what happened to selig?

extension and raise, happened right during the hearings. From ESPN:

"Major League Baseball owners gave commissioner Bud Selig a three-year contract extension through 2012 on Thursday, a move made two days after some congressmen were critical of his leadership is responding to the sport's drug problem."

So let's review -- the commissioner who knew about the roid use willfully pretended he didn't know anything until a book was written.

SO -- he was either a) incompetent or worse, b) part of a conspiracy

So did Congress recommend he be fired? Did MLB owners fire him as a message that they were unhappy with his stupidity?

Nope. They gave him a nice big fat extension. Good job Bud.

Why is that?

Let me explain.

Selig succeeded in convincing the public, through the press and the leak of the "list of players known to use roids" that the players were the villains and baseball itself was not to blame.

No, this was 300+ individual players who had individual issues, it had nothing to do with baseball.

They pretend no managers, trainers, or MLB officials knew about it.
Every time another player is outed he is villified and put through the wringer.

Bottom line is baseball is, was and always will be a dirty sport. Cheaters, corked bats, drunk players, drug use, gambling.

The hall is already full of a-holes, jerkballs and unbearable personalities...who all had great baseball skills.

Nothing about these guys on steroids bothers me at all, they are all part of their own era of cheating and bad sportsmanship, just like every past era has had their issues too.

Right now players are taking the "next" supplements, using "unfair" training regimens etc...there will always be some crazy effort to pretend these guys are role models for kids and therefore should do the "right" thing. Except they are never paid to do the right thing...just to perform.

LOL like the hall was full of good men who did everything by the book before steroids? right

[RanPicks]

set all your hatred aside...

just asterisk everyone... it's the steroid era...