Typical Crap

[revnecro1273]

US complains of Sudan's 'overreaction' in teddy bear case
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WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States said Friday that Sudan overreacted in jailing a British teacher for 15 days for allowing her pupils to name a teddy bear Mohammed as it supports Britain's efforts for her release.

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"We are very supportive of the British government in this regard. They are working to get their citizen back," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters.

"There is a shared assessment that the punishment that has been imposed on this woman is in every way excessive," even though it has been reduced from corporal punishment to a 15-day jail sentence, McCormack said.

"I don't know what more we can say about the case, but clearly there is an overreaction from individuals involved in prosecuting this case against this woman."

Gillian Gibbons, 54, was jailed by a court in Khartoum on Thursday for allowing pupils in her class of seven and eight-year-olds to give the bear the same name as the Muslim prophet, as part of a school project.

British Foreign Secretary David Miliband called in the Sudanese ambassador to London twice for talks on the issue, underlining that Gibbons' actions were the result of an "innocent misunderstanding."



They think that is excessive punishment? That can be a perspective taken from any country about any sort of local law...Nederlands may perceive incarceration for drugs to be excessive...it is a mussie country, what do you expect? outlandish sentencing for pure crap that is not what westerners would see as being acceptable behaviour....lets look at this case....


JEDDAH, 18 November 2007 — Upset with a sentence of 200 lashes and six months in prison, the 19-year-old Saudi gang-rape victim known as “Qatif Girl” is appealing the verdict even as the judge in the case said her sentence could be increased as a result, the woman’s husband told Arab News yesterday.

The woman is charged with being in the company of an unrelated man shortly before she and her companion were brutally gang-raped by seven men, all of whom have been found guilty and sentenced to between two and nine years in prison with lashes for the crime.

In the absence of her lawyer, whose license to practice law was recently revoked by the Qatif General Court, the young woman agreed to fight the verdict.

“She was very determined and strong facing the harsh ruling. Even I was surprised,” said the victim’s husband, whose name is being withheld to protect the woman’s identity.

The husband said the judge warned that if the defendant lost her appeal her sentence could be increased.

The rape victim had already lost a second hearing (which was not considered an appeal) by the Higher Court of Justice, after her lawyer requested they review the ruling of the Qatif General Court, which had sentenced the woman to 90 lashes.

On Wednesday the Higher Court of Justice not only upheld the guilty verdict but also increased the sentence to 200 lashes and six months in prison.

On Saturday the husband (the woman’s legal guardian) is scheduled to receive a copy of the verdict from the Qatif General Court, after which the defendant will have 30 days to file an appeal with the Court of Cassation.

“We have been told that the appeal hearing will take two to three weeks,” said the husband.

The second ruling by the Higher Court of Justice was made after the victim’s lawyer, Abdul Rahman Al-Lahem, managed to get the Higher Court to review the verdict of the Qatif General Court and reverse the verdict. Instead, the court issued the harsher punishment.

“Their argument was that it was the girl’s fault in the first place that (the rape) happened and none of that would have happened if she had not met up with the non-related male friend,” said Al-Lahem, who had his license revoked and was kicked out of the courtroom at the start of the hearing.

Sheikh Fouad Al-Majed, the head of the Qatif General Court that revoked Al-Lahem’s license, referred Arab News to a court administrator to get a response from the court.

“In developed countries the press does not interfere in court cases,” said the administrator. “We have no authority to talk to the press. The media department at the Ministry of Justice is the only one that can go on record.”

The administrator then said he would state his full name for the record on one condition.

“I will give you my full name if I want to propose to you,” he answered.

Arab News could not contact the Ministry of Justice in Riyadh as government offices are closed until Monday due to the OPEC Summit in Riyadh.

Human rights activist Fawziya Al-Oyoni, who was also kicked out of the courtroom with Al-Lahem, said that the victim, who was only 18 years old at the time of her sexual assault, was abducted at knifepoint in front of a shopping mall in Qatif along with a non-related male friend.

Al-Oyoni said that the victim had met the friend to receive some photos of her that he had from a relationship with her when she was 16. She contends that the man had initially threatened to distribute the pictures to shame her.

Then seven young men noticed the two in front of a mall and abducted them, took them to a deserted area and raped them both.

Arab News has learned that the young man is not appealing his sentence out of fear that his punishment, if the verdict were upheld, would be increased.

“The rape victim was denied her right of having her lawyer at the courtroom while announcing the verdict,” said Al-Oyoni. “She has been undergoing hard physical and psychological conditions and severe depression as a result of the horrifying crime.”

As for the reason why Al-Lahem’s license to practice law has been suspended, the court claims insubordination (he allegedly raised his voice to the judge) but the lawyer denies the allegations.

“Unfortunately in today’s practice judges seem to be above the law and almost impossible to question,” said Al-Lahem, who has vowed to fight his own legal battle to reclaim his right to practice law.


now i think the usa government should be more vocal about this atrocity versuses some foreign old woman in a foreign country violating a crime in a local municipality...as the us govt always preaches for it's citizens when visiting a foreign country it should abide by local laws...but yet they go off on some white chick going against religious law in a wasteland of a country...where she probably should have thought twice about going to in the first place...but yet why isnt the latter case on the main page of yahoo? maybe because it is not a foreign national and is in a country that has loads of oil? the latter case is a bit more of an excessive punishment by law than the former...seeing the latter, assessing fault to the victim would go back to the stone ages in usa law...what kind of agenda is there? either speak out against all punishments that are seen to be excessive, or stay out with your untrained international protocol...talk about racism patti labelle...wouldn;t you think this would throw your bs claims down a few levels?

[skippy]

Now you see how INTOLERANT these BASTARDS are.

They want others to respect their religion, yet they won't respect ours in our OWN countries.

Its pretty sad when you can't have/make any references to CHRISTMAS in our own countries because it would offend them.

[revnecro1273]

i think you missed the point of the post skippy...it was more or less to point out a double standard by the usa govt

[skippy]

Originally Posted by revnecro1273

i think you missed the point of the post skippy...it was more or less to point out a double standard by the usa govt

That's what happens when some over zealous mod starts to mix up all the threads.

[sound]

rev - your fuzzy logic is such a thrashing ass-whip. your logic is so terrible that it makes me want to kick myself in the face with a golf shoe. it's more fukt up than hiking cleats. geez.

if you can't help them all, help none?

[revnecro1273]

Originally Posted by sound

rev - your fuzzy logic is such a thrashing ass-whip. your logic is so terrible that it makes me want to kick myself in the face with a golf shoe. it's more fukt up than hiking cleats. geez.

if you can't help them all, help none?

yup...if one is to be a true humanitarian, personal agenda shouldn't be prioritized

[sound]

did you ever think that uk got involved because it was one of their citizens and the us piled on because we support our allies?

[iggs111]

all i gotta say is people are ****ing nuts and we should blow them all up, thank you.

[Romanowski]

"To America's critics I would say this:

When you were hungry we bought you food, the Americans came.

When you were sick, the Americans brought you medicine.

When you were attacked, we left the safety of our own homes to come and defend you.

I will never apologize for the United States of America”

[rjb1816]

sharp post romer

[Romanowski]

only a pinko-communist-blame america first-nitwit--- like rio

could twist this here issue

These Islamofascists would have the pervasive homosexuality of the guy executed in a second

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Romanowski

"To America's critics I would say this:

When you were hungry we bought you food, the Americans came.

When you were sick, the Americans brought you medicine.

When you were attacked, we left the safety of our own homes to come and defend you.

I will never apologize for the United States of America”

rome, you got my vote for post of the year

[sappapy]

Originally Posted by Romanowski

"To America's critics I would say this:

When you were hungry we bought you food, the Americans came.

When you were sick, the Americans brought you medicine.

When you were attacked, we left the safety of our own homes to come and defend you.

I will never apologize for the United States of America”

You should get off your high horse

[Romanowski]

let me guess sappy youre the one gonna do that

why did what I say tell you i was on a high horse?

[The Judge]

Originally Posted by revnecro1273

i think you missed the point of the post skippy...it was more or less to point out a double standard by the usa govt

Rev, I think everyone missed your point as it was clevely disgiused at the end of a very long piece that you "quoted." I missed it the first time around too.

Originally Posted by revnecro1273

now i think the usa government should be more vocal about this atrocity versuses some foreign old woman in a foreign country violating a crime in a local municipality...as the us govt always preaches for it's citizens when visiting a foreign country it should abide by local laws...but yet they go off on some white chick going against religious law in a wasteland of a country...where she probably should have thought twice about going to in the first place...but yet why isnt the latter case on the main page of yahoo? maybe because it is not a foreign national and is in a country that has loads of oil? the latter case is a bit more of an excessive punishment by law than the former...seeing the latter, assessing fault to the victim would go back to the stone ages in usa law...what kind of agenda is there? either speak out against all punishments that are seen to be excessive, or stay out with your untrained international protocol...talk about racism patti labelle...wouldn;t you think this would throw your bs claims down a few levels?

Get some help, kid.