Why not buy the hook?

[BigFratDaddy]

my cousin calls me up all pissed off cuz he lost a huge bet recently by half a point. im like
"dude why didnt you buy the hook?" He responds,
"cuz there was too much juice on it." And i say
"sooooo, whats your point?" and he responds
"i wanted to win more money."So i say,
"well instead of getting your money back you lost 1500 because you didnt wanna sacrifice a little juice, how dumb is that?"
then he doesnt respond.


ive never lost a bet from buying a hook and i cant tell you how many times ive pushed because i did. why dont people buy the hook? explain....

[E_Wrecked]

the average bettor cant do much better then right around 55% day in and day out over a long haul betting. The extra 10% would obviously hurt the average bettor.

Sharps are more common for buying hooks, especially if they are trying to middle a game for instance.

I feel like asking why bet the game?

Live by the hook, die by the hook. I would say winning or losing by a hook happens once in every 50 wagers for me. Maybe 1 in 25 for CBB???

I would lose more buying the hook everytime then not buying the hook.

What are you going to do? You were right on the game, you lost by a half point? Would you have changed the wager?

I would have still took my side. It goes both ways like when a game gets called after 6 innings of baseball sometimes youre up and sometimes youre not.

[BigFratDaddy]

Originally Posted by E_Wrecked

the average bettor cant do much better then right around 55% day in and day out over a long haul betting. The extra 10% would obviously hurt the average bettor.

Sharps are more common for buying hooks, especially if they are trying to middle a game for instance.

I feel like asking why bet the game?

Live by the hook, die by the hook. I would say winning or losing by a hook happens once in every 50 wagers for me. Maybe 1 in 25 for CBB???

I would lose more buying the hook everytime then not buying the hook.

What are you going to do? You were right on the game, you lost by a half point? Would you have changed the wager?

I would have still took my side. It goes both ways like when a game gets called after 6 innings of baseball sometimes youre up and sometimes youre not.

well you dont by the hook every bet only when the line is set at like 3.5 or something. a 10% loss is a little much to assume....still dont see a reason to lose a wager because u didnt want to lose the few extra bucks

[pittviper]

Just looked it up, and in my past 400 bets, I have had 5 pushes...
Just say i'm betting a flat 100$ on every game, which I am not, but let's just say I am..

From those 400 plays I am 231 wins, 164 losses.. 5 pushes...

NOT BUYING the hook, and having every loss at -110, and every win at +100.
I am +5,060$.

BUYING THE hook, and having every loss at -120, every win at +100.
I am
+3,920$.

Big difference, and main reason I don't buy the hook on every game..

Also, I don't buy the hook on most games, because if I feel that I need to buy the hook, I probably really don't like the game that much and shouldn't be betting it in the first place..

Yes, sometimes I buy the hook, but only when I feel it is benefitiary..

GL man
PV

[E_Wrecked]

I think the few extra bucks would just add up against you in the long haul. And dont get started on football where you're paying triple juice off of 100 to buy off that 3/3.5-----7/7.5.

I know some online books have lower juice and its more enticing or makes a little more sense money management-wise.

IMO its a bad idea on a straight wager

It's also not good for money management. If you're 50/50 thats a losing day in sports, would hate to have purchased hooks on bad days. The good days you will find that it doesnt really come in to play and you won anyway so...

bought hooks are money in the bag for the book IMO

[E_Wrecked]

Originally Posted by pittviper

Just looked it up, and in my past 400 bets, I have had 5 pushes...
Just say i'm betting a flat 100$ on every game, which I am not, but let's just say I am..

From those 400 plays I am 231 wins, 164 losses.. 5 pushes...

NOT BUYING the hook, and having every loss at -110, and every win at +100.
I am +5,060$.

BUYING THE hook, and having every loss at -120, every win at +100.
I am
+3,920$.

Big difference, and main reason I don't buy the hook on every game..

Also, I don't buy the hook on most games, because if I feel that I need to buy the hook, I probably really don't like the game that much and shouldn't be betting it in the first place..

Yes, sometimes I buy the hook, but only when I feel it is benefitiary..

GL man
PV

Math is coooooooooooooool!

1 thing stood out, you probably shouldnt play it if you feel you NEED or MIGHT need the hook.

Very true

[T100]

I am on the side of Bigfratdaddy on this one, as I will buy the hook more often than not. Usually Im buying the half on the push and always will I buy on a parlay ticket.
I look at it this way, if your playin -110 WTF is wrong with another .09% or so to cover your ass in case of the intangables cause the intangables are the one thing that you cant figure out, but you can figure them in.

[E_Wrecked]

Originally Posted by T100

I look at it this way, if your playin -110 WTF is wrong with another .09% or so to cover your ass in case of the intangables cause the intangables are the one thing that you cant figure out, but you can figure them in.

cant figure out, but can figure in. Its a prop bet buying hooks

buying that .5 off 3 for UNLV would have been even better. I'd rather lose by 100 then to lose like that.

Im sure a hook would have done you justice in another game somewhere tonight.

I dont disagree with buying points in parlays, I know of one book that allows it and I'm not the biggest fan--whatever.

It's a prop bet

[E_Wrecked]

if it comes down to deciding on buying .5 you should probably find a different game. Thats basically that, see the above posters response

[Romanowski]

if it costs more than 10 cents its not worth it

statistically speaking

[The Judge]

Nutzo always buys the hook.

[jonnyblaze]

Buying a hook in basketball is dardly worth it, Im sure the math supports this (Rome?). However, I do buy hooks in the NFL at times becasue the big numbers hit so often.

[BigFratDaddy]

Originally Posted by pittviper

Just looked it up, and in my past 400 bets, I have had 5 pushes...
Just say i'm betting a flat 100$ on every game, which I am not, but let's just say I am..

From those 400 plays I am 231 wins, 164 losses.. 5 pushes...

NOT BUYING the hook, and having every loss at -110, and every win at +100.
I am +5,060$.

BUYING THE hook, and having every loss at -120, every win at +100.
I am
+3,920$.

Big difference, and main reason I don't buy the hook on every game..

Also, I don't buy the hook on most games, because if I feel that I need to buy the hook, I probably really don't like the game that much and shouldn't be betting it in the first place..

Yes, sometimes I buy the hook, but only when I feel it is benefitiary..

GL man
PV

ya but this is only valid if you have a large volume of bets per week like you do. i probably play 20% of the games you do between cbb,nba, and hockey and whatever ever else you play. if you play less games i dont think the juice will catch up to you in a significant amount. I also dont understand people that wil place an abnormally large wager on a game and not buy the hook either, its just dumb to me not to give yourself any oppurtunity to get your money back if it comes down to it....

[pough]

a book can simply push every even line by a half, creating for hooks on both sides. in the scenerio where everyone bought hooks then the book makes off like bandits, literally, in the long run.

[The Judge]

Originally Posted by BigFratDaddy

ya but this is only valid if you have a large volume of bets per week like you do. i probably play 20% of the games you do between cbb,nba, and hockey and whatever ever else you play. if you play less games i dont think the juice will catch up to you in a significant amount. I also dont understand people that wil place an abnormally large wager on a game and not buy the hook either, its just dumb to me not to give yourself any oppurtunity to get your money back if it comes down to it....

Frat, you are missing the point. According to at PV's fairly large sample of wagers, he would have won over 20% less if he had bought the half point. There is no arguing that is a significant difference.