sharp books

[Deck]

What books are considered sharp books? I know pinny is one but what are some of the others out there.

[SI5]

I've always considered cris & thegreek sharp books.

[Deck]

how about 5 Dimes?

[SI5]

I love 5 Dimes as a book. I don't know if they are considered sharp in the same ways as other books.

[Deck]

thanks for the replies man

[THE Sports PROFIT]

5 Dimes considered sharp, and ton of betting options as well <yup<

[QuadzillaXXX]

i have a more general question then....what makes a book a "sharp" book?

[johnny1212]

Originally Posted by QuadzillaXXX

i have a more general question then....what makes a book a "sharp" book?

A sharp book doesn't just copy Vegas odds. They'll usually set their own lines & take large wagers. A book like cris will take $50 dimes and aren't afraid of professional players.

[johnny1212]

here's a good article years ago from thegreek


A fellow strikes a few keys on a computer keyboard or strides into a licensed sportsbook in Nevada and wagers $5,000 on a football game. The move triggers an immediate and frenzied reaction from the house's numbers cruncher, who quickly consults with his bosses or telephones the casino's sister properties and adjusts the betting lines on the team that just was bet.

A few minutes later another man (or woman) strikes the very same computer keys or walks up to the very same window at the very same sportsbook and wagers a whopping $50,000 on a football game. The very same house Bookmaker makes note of the wager but otherwise does not stir from reading the morning newspaper. There are no betting lines adjustments this time.

What the heck is going on here?

Bookmakers have learned that the amount of money bet often is secondary in importance to the identity of the person who places the wager. For example, a hotel guest who lumbers into the sportsbook from the gaming tables with a cocktail in one hand, a load of black chips in the other and what he believes is an informed opinion, usually is not viewed as a serious threat to the house's bottom line. Online, a player not known for his wagering acumen may also make a large bet without raising a bushy eyebrow. For the most part, sportsbooks are far more threatened by the activities of savvy players and gambling syndicates.

Because bet takers always are looking to get ahead of the action, to find that one right number that attracts equal or near equal activity to each side of a game, distinguishing and separating recreational or unsophisticated bettors, called 'squares,' from professional bettors, known as 'sharps,' can be crucial to a sportsbook's well-being. One way sportsbooks do this is by reacting as quickly as possible to the moves made by professional bettors.

But first, Bookmakers have to identify the 'sharps,' who, in an attempt to get their wagers down at the most attractive betting lines, often use a variety of tricks and subterfuge. Known by sight to most bookmakers, many sophisticated bettors employ 'runners' or 'beards' to place their wagers, frequently striking with military-like precision at several sportsbooks at the same time.

Of course, bookmakers, who are trained to look for tip-offs such as clipboards or cell phones, eventually become familiar with the runners and the cat-and-mouse game begins anew.

Online, shrewd professionals will open a series of accounts at a number of reputable sportsbooks, spreading out their action on betting lines to try to camouflage their true intent.

In addition to the overall quality of their play, 'sharps' differentiate themselves from 'squares' in several other ways. Most obviously, 'sharps' are professionals who derive their income from their play while 'squares' have "real" jobs.

Generally, say sportsbook managers, 'sharps' are low-key, gracious and unassuming while players who boast about their successes usually are 'squares' with little chance of winning.

'Sharps' also distinguish themselves by the number of games they bet and the consistency of their wagers on each of those games. Typically, 'sharps' bet about half a dozen games during a football weekend. 'Squares' bet one or two, or even worse, nearly the whole card.

"If you believe you have an edge you don't want to bet just one or two games," explained a professional sports bettor who asked that his name be withheld. "If you play only a couple of games, luck becomes much too overwhelming of a factor. You don't want to be in a situation where a bad bounce or a lousy call from a referee beats you and that's the only game you've played. If you've played a handful of games, maybe five or six, and you're any good, you can overcome a bad beat."

There's also little variation in the size of bets made by 'sharps.'

"You pretty much bet the same amount on each game," said the player. "I don't have a 'best bet,' a 'game of the week' or anything like that. C'mon, if I really knew which of my bets were 'best' wouldn't I just make those bets? I think all my bets are going to win; that's why I make them."

Finally, the 'sharp' player never measures success in the short run so he never has to "get out" on an unlikely parlay or chase after the final game of the day or the weekend. Poker players are fond of saying that one session doesn't mean anything. 'Sharps' understand that.

So if you see betting lines move, it's probably because of the "who" not the "how much."

This article was written by Luken Karel for thegreek.com.

[HoosierDaddy23]

i dont think 5dimes is regarded as a "sharp book"

betcris and pinny are the top 2 in terms of sharp-ness, from what I can gather.

The M in vegas is another one that is viewed as sharp.

what makes them sharp is they make the line moves that all other books act accordingly to or juice a side or w.e. that reveals an element of sharpness in the book.


sorry if that doesnt make sense, people on here have explained this to me though and that is how i remember it being presented

[The Nac]

Thanks for posting that, johnny. Good read. <tup>

I am a square! lol

[QuadzillaXXX]

Originally Posted by The Nac

Thanks for posting that, johnny. Good read. <tup>

I am a square! lol

ditto lol and yes, thanks johnny

[Deck]

I definitely don't have a sharp edge to me at all. More rounded than square though.