AL Cy Young, Felix, CC, or Price?

[bt33]

Well after great outings but the three contenders a debate should occur. Since Sea is my home team I will make a quick case for Felix, who is although only 13-12 on the year, leads in the AL is strikeouts at 232, has an ERA of 2.27, becomes only the 7th pitcher to have 30 or more quality outings, and has something like the 3rd lowest post-All Star break ERA, only better was 1990 Roger Clemens and 2004 Johan Santana. He's also pitched something like 48 more innings than Price this yr, but all three are worthy.

[Ryan52929]

I'd say CC because he is carrying that pitching staff.

[alishik33]

it should be felix..his numbers are better but he doesnt play for the yanks so the writers and the media will jump on CC! it amazes me how this is even a debate.......Felix gets absolutely no support if he pitched for the yanks hed have 23-24 wins for sure

[upinya83]

Originally Posted by alishik33

it should be felix..his numbers are better but he doesnt play for the yanks so the writers and the media will jump on CC! it amazes me how this is even a debate.......Felix gets absolutely no support if he pitched for the yanks hed have 23-24 wins for sure

disagree with that - first of all, i think strikeouts are the most overrated stat out there. How does that help you win games moreso than a groundout? It doesn't, shouldn't even matter. 2nd of all, Felix gets no run support, so he's in the 7th inning in a 1-1 game. CC is in the 7th inning winning 7-0, so what does he do, what he's supposed to in order to help his team win - throw every pitch right down the middle, dont walk anyone and get the game over with as fast as possible, without giving up a big inning - so his ERA is gonna suffer because of that.

I've never understood the no run support thing - when a guy gets a ton of run support, its gonna hurt his era, his innings pitched (taking guy out with a big lead) etc. Its gonna hurt all of his numbers.

If CC pitched in seattle, with no pressure, against the A's every other start, he'd have an era of 1.14

imo of course

[alishik33]

everything besides your last point made absolutely no sense...whille i agree he pitches in the west this guy throws zeros up there forget anything else he has more pressure on him to keep the opposing team scoreless cause he know their offense wonr get it done......but just like any other sport in america the east coast bias is too strong of a force to contend with! i saw this stat that felix in his last 10 starts has had an ERA of .93 or something with a team thats been out of contention and nothing to play for so you can only imagine the amount of focus this guy has to have every start! This is coming from a Rangers fan here in texas so not a homer!

[upinya83]

Originally Posted by alishik33

everything besides your last point made absolutely no sense...

The goal of any starting pitcher is to get a win for your team

When you're winning 7-0 in the 4th inning, you're manager tells you to last as long as you can, not walk anyone and create a big inning. Keep your pitch count low, make them put it in play. So you end up throwing alot of fastballs, alot of pitches down the middle of the plate, and end up giving up a few runs that they may not have if the game was 1-0 instead.

[LordCC]

I would like to see David Price get it as I love watching this guy pitch & he has electric stuff. However, you can't deny what CC has done this year, he is a machine & work horse that we don't see often enough in this day in age.

We have alot of pitchers getting babied, innings limit etc, but both CC & Halladay are what pitchers ought to be.

My money is on CC winning the AL CY Young and Hallday winning the NY Cy Young.

[thekid777]

Felix is my choice.

He has 30 quality starts. Of the 5 or 6 pitchers to do that since 1980 everyone of them have won the Cy Young.

In 9 of his 12 losses the M's have scored 0 or 1 run! that is pathetic and shows he can not control his W-L record.

I would argue it is harder to pitch in a 1-1 game every night with a very slim margin for error than pitch in a 7-0 game like CC.

His Era and K's speak for themselves. Strikeouts are a valuable stat and viable because it shows the dominance he has over the hitter.

I think the world of CC and Price for pitching this well in the AL east. hats off. But Felix is the most dominate pitcher and best pitcher in the league this year and that is who the Cy Young should go to.

[bigsportsguy2006]

ups ... the PERFECT example of that kinda pitcher who is amazing with a big lead is Roy Halladay. he understand that you need to throw strikes.... and he understands that you should NEVER walk batters and just let them hit it. you have a defense behind you for a reason. i do think that strike-outs, however, are important. there are many times when a strikeout is needed with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs ....

[upinya83]

Originally Posted by bigsportsguy2006

i do think that strike-outs, however, are important. there are many times when a strikeout is needed with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs ....

i get that too, and understand

ground ball with guys on first and third with one out is pretty important too, a sinkerball pitcher like Hudson that doesn't strike guys out, but gets those ground balls when he needs them to get double plays is underrated also

Strikeout pitchers also normally walk more guys than non-strikeout pitchers, so they tend to put themselves in the situation where they have guys on base and need a strikeout.

If you're one of the very few rare ones like Halladay that can strike guys out and not walk guys, then I'd say theyre important - but otherwise, lots of strikeouts usually means lots of walks too

[PHILLYBIRDS20]

when the hell did seattle get a baseball team

[bigsportsguy2006]

i agree. and a perfect example of that is clayton kershaw. and it drives his pitch count thru the roof which gives him the early yank and gets him pulled from games. but man, when you can control your pitches AND strike guys out .... its impressive

[TheHippieRipper]

leave it to BGS to mention a philly in an AL CY YOUNG thread

completely stinking up every thread with his homerism bullsh*t

the answer to this is felix hernandez. W-L record should not factor into the decision but some years it does, others it doesn't.
ups: you mentioned cc going out west and dominating... but what if you but Felix in the Bronx?

easily could be 30-3 with an offense behind him.

[upinya83]

Originally Posted by TheHippieRipper

ups: you mentioned cc going out west and dominating... but what if you but Felix in the Bronx?

easily could be 30-3 with an offense behind him.

could be - or he could struggle like alot of pitchers do when they leave a losing team and start pitching under the pressure of a winning club like the Yankees

Alot of What-ifs for all 3 of these pitchers

The actual correct answer is this is a very tight race, and I wouldnt be surprised to see any of the 3 win it.

[Windy City Irish]

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