If you have been proven to have used PED's

[Gerk]

And are eligible to be in the Hall of Fame, how should it be handled by voters?

Vote early and often

[Dr. Jack]

This is a tough question Gerk. I don't think they should just be eliminated from getting in and I know it matters to a lot of people

Since I think most will not get in, I say give them their asterisk at least. I am still voting #1

[upinya83]

should get in..

it was the era they played in, and as a hitter on PED, prolly 90% of the pitchers he faced were on them too, and vice versa for a pitcher..

[Gerk]

I will defer to Hank Aaron and Harmon Killebrew, two guys who did it the right way and say asterisk

Makes me sick to see the people who have passed Killebrew on the all time HR list and made me sick for a week when Bonds passed Aaron

[westcoastO]

i really think it depends on the particular player. very tough question to vote on for me.

[TheLink]

I think you have to put them in because you have no idea who did it and didn't do it. Of course they are going to go after the big fish (Bonds, A Rod, Sosa, McGwire, etc) which puts them at a disadvantage when their is plenty of support other guys did it but haven't been caught or identified.

You can't tell me Ivan Rodriguez wasn't on the juice. He is 1/2 to 3/4 of the size he was before they started testing.

I don't think you need an asterik strictly for the fact history will show the PED era and the stories will be there. If Bonds or Clemens get in the Hall it isn't like in 60 years everyone is going to forget the story behind the end of their career.

[rjb1816]

i think they should get in. how many players even earlier were using PED's that were never discovered because there were no testing in place or scrutiny from the league?

[uva3021]

^^yes

willie mays and mantle were recognized in "ball four" to have taken greenies, same thing mike cameron was suspended 25 games for last season

[Romanowski]

tough to make a blanket statement on this one

some were nobodies before PEDs, some were HOFs before

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Gerk

when Bonds passed Aaron

now believe me, I am no fan of Bonds as a person or as a teammate. But as a ballplayer, he is one of the greatest players of all-time. Sadly he won't go down that way (because of the steroids). Say what you want, he has never failed a steroids test (to my knowledge) and the Feds can't prove that he lied under oath when he denied knowingly using steroids.

The man was an awesome ballplayer. And for a time there (spanning several years) he was the most feared hitter on the planet.

Barry Bonds deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. With or without the asterisk.

[Gerk]

Bonds probably would have been one of the greastest with or without steroids, but the govt. has enough evidence to indict him on steroids charges, see below. If he did it, he is an idiot number one and number 2, he deserves the same treatment that other admitted users will receive.

Do you really think he didn't use Keith? If so, you are the first person I've met who doesn't think he did


SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Baseball home run king Barry Bonds tested positive for steroids in November 2000, months before his record breaking 73-home run season, U.S. prosecutors said on Thursday.
The allegation came in a legal filing in his steroid perjury case which referred to Bonds' long-time trainer, Greg Anderson.
"At trial, the government's evidence will show that Bonds received steroids from Anderson in the period before the November 2000 positive drug test, and that evidence raises the inference that Anderson gave Bonds the steroids that caused him to test positive in November 2000," U.S. Attorney Joseph Russoniello wrote.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Gerk

Bonds probably would have been one of the greastest with or without steroids, but the govt. has enough evidence to indict him on steroids charges, see below. If he did it, he is an idiot number one and number 2, he deserves the same treatment that other admitted users will receive.

Do you really think he didn't use Keith? If so, you are the first person I've met who doesn't think he did


SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Baseball home run king Barry Bonds tested positive for steroids in November 2000, months before his record breaking 73-home run season, U.S. prosecutors said on Thursday.
The allegation came in a legal filing in his steroid perjury case which referred to Bonds' long-time trainer, Greg Anderson.
"At trial, the government's evidence will show that Bonds received steroids from Anderson in the period before the November 2000 positive drug test, and that evidence raises the inference that Anderson gave Bonds the steroids that caused him to test positive in November 2000," U.S. Attorney Joseph Russoniello wrote.

that my friend is an allegation made by the government in a pleading. They have the burden of proof on that. And they can't meet it. The Court has already ruled as such. Without Gary Anderson's testimony, the "evidence" is inadmissable. And Bonds walks. The government will end up withdrawing the indictment. You watch. They appealed the ruling but they will lose on appeal. And then they are done. Because they have no more evidence. And because Gary Anderson did YEARS in jail for Bonds on a contempt charge (for not answering questions about Bonds).

As for whether I believe that he used steroids--yes of course I believe that. My mama didn't raise no idiot. LOL

[rda21]

If their stats warrant induction, let them in with the utmost seperation from the noncheaters, their own room. Then move existing members who cheated into the new room. George Brett, corked bat for one, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle pills, Frank Robinsn, carrying a concealed weapon, etc..etc with no exceptions. . If everyone listed anyone who they new cheated in any way the new room may be the bigger one.

[Gerk]

Originally Posted by Keith

that my friend is an allegation made by the government in a pleading. They have the burden of proof on that. And they can't meet it. The Court has already ruled as such. Without Gary Anderson's testimony, the "evidence" is inadmissable. And Bonds walks. The government will end up withdrawing the indictment. You watch. They appealed the ruling but they will lose on appeal. And then they are done. Because they have no more evidence. And because Gary Anderson did YEARS in jail for Bonds on a contempt charge (for not answering questions about Bonds).

As for whether I believe that he used steroids--yes of course I believe that. My mama didn't raise no idiot. LOL

I understand all that Keith. My father is a retired assistant county attorney in the county I reside and my sister works as a law clerk for Minnesota Supreme Court Justice Alan Page and I actually go to court quite often in my job.

My point is that Bonds will be proven to be a steroids user either in this proceeding or a subsequent proceeding. The fact that Anderson has refused to turn over on Bonds won't stop someone else to come forward that will be willing to do so. There is plenty of time to prove Bonds as a steroids user because of the 5 year waiting period after he retires, which I don't believe he actually has, as of yet.

As Hank Aaron said over the weekend and I"m paraphrasing, No one who has hit 70 hr's did so naturally, because it's not possible

[upinya83]

everyone always talks about the big home run numbers when it comes to steroids.

someone correct me if im wrong here (cause im just going of memory) but i believe more pitchers have tested positive than hitters

everyone seems to forget that, or ignore it. these guys hitting all these homers were doin it off juiced pitchers