Hello, I'm new, can you guys help we with a request?

[Dragon Warrior]

Yes, I'm a newbie, please forgive me for any "newbie like" things I may do aor say on this particular forum. As my first post, I'd like to make a kind request from you guys, If you don't mind.


I just finished watching the ESPN 2008 midas 3-point college championships, but I didn't get to see the women perform. I missed it for the last 4 years, and I never got cought up to speed on the results, and I can't seem to find them anywhere.


My request is this: Can you guys please post me the results of both the men's and women's performances on each round of the 3-point championships, for the years 2004-2007?

This would be much appreciated. Thanks again.

[be47320]

cuse, please take care of this ASAP, thanks.

[cuse_man]

lol

[RanPicks]

Originally Posted by be47320

cuse, please take care of this ASAP, thanks.

shouldn't that run through cat? Recruiting for WNBA...

Welcome to the mall Warrior

[westcoastO]

Originally Posted by Dragon Warrior

Yes, I'm a newbie, please forgive me for any "newbie like" things I may do aor say on this particular forum. As my first post, I'd like to make a kind request from you guys, If you don't mind.


I just finished watching the ESPN 2008 midas 3-point college championships, but I didn't get to see the women perform. I missed it for the last 4 years, and I never got cought up to speed on the results, and I can't seem to find them anywhere.


My request is this: Can you guys please post me the results of both the men's and women's performances on each round of the 3-point championships, for the years 2004-2007?

This would be much appreciated. Thanks again.

Tom Arnold won the 3 point shootout.

[revnecro1273]

the lesbian looking chick that plays for phoenix (or it is the twin that plays for an east coast wnba team) won it one year

[Dragon Warrior]

Ok. I said I'd Apologize for any "social norm" breaking around here.


There's a reason why I ask this: I'm a Certified Personal Trainer from WITS, certifed through ACE, and I have a great deal of knowlege on exercise physiology. I also understand the different principals of exercise physiology and how each action translates to movement, and sports (particularly each sport). I also understand some realities that go along with this, and also, I understand some myths, what's possible for the future based off of science, and what is not, Particularly reguarding men and women.

Here's the thing, I'm going to a debate, and I'll be debating a sexist. The sexist believes that there is no such thing as a woman who can out-perform (beat/score more/get a better time ect..) a man at an Elite level in ANY sport. That a woman can't do a single athletic feat, of any kind, that is a performance better than any male athlete would ever do, ever. Basically, It's the assuption that a female athlete can only out-perform a sedentary male, not another male athlete.

I disagree with this. There are many reason as to why the statistics are the way they are, but if science shows differently, then you'd be forced to face those other reasons. Based off of the science that I know, It depends on the sport. Some sports, the man has a natural advantage based off of things that catter to men (like strength ect..), however, there are other sports where those advantages aren't at all necessary to win, and the advantages that are necessary to win aren't exactly cattered to a specific gender.


So, I have all of the science put together to destroy this guy already. But, there's an on running gag. He's repeatedly asked me to give him ONE example of a woman out performing a male athlete, and I've purposely not given him any examples. He takes this as proof that there aren't any.


Ofcourse, I have alot already, but I'm going to give him science first, that shows that in some sports, It is possible for a woman to out perform an Elite man.


After that, at the end, just for kicks, I plan on unleashing over 100 examples.


The problem I have, is that college basketball is the only sport left that I need to find examples of this, and i know that there are plenty just from the 3-point competitions alone. If I had them, I could show women out-scoring men in every round, of every copetition, of every year for the last 20 years. All I need are the results and scores, and I absolutely can't find any recaps of the games, anywhere.

[ZoomVT]

i cant help you here, but its an interesting topic. would be curious to see your scientific results and of course the examples. you say you have every major sport already and i cant imagine what examples you might have in some sports.
anyway, good luck

[Dragon Warrior]

Well, the science as way too much to get into without putting people to sleep. Also, I don't have every sport covered, I just have every sport that I wanted to cover, covered. It's only some sports where the natural born advantages between men and women are indifferent, some sports catter to a man's abilities, and believe it or not, but some sports actually catter to a woman's abilities aswell. But, I actually have some examples of women out-performing Elite men at a sport cattered to a man, beating a man at his own game, Like a woman who once struck out both Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig back to back, in succession, in 1931.

I have about 6 or 7 sports covered, and the last one I'm working on is basketball.

[Wellahiya]

isn't the problem with men vs women competitions in basketball the difference between the size of the basketball? i mean a professional female athlete plays a different sized basketball... now when they compete, one has to play an unusual size OR vif both play there usual sizes, the women has a smaller basketball and can hit the basket easier

[Dragon Warrior]

Well, the differences between men and women generally, and in sport, are size and strength. If you have a sport where size and strength are key to winning, then the man will have a gender based advantage. But, If you have a sport where size and strength are a mere part of the sport, but not the only way of winning or performing, then the bigger guy dosen't have the overall advantage in the sport, he just has the advantage if he uses his size and strength. Man vs woman can be looked at (depending on the sport) as big man vs little man. If It's a big mans sport, advantage = big man, If it's a little man's sport, advantage = Little man. If It's a big man vs Little man sport, no advantage other than if big man is able o turn it into a big man game or if a little man is able to turn it into a little man's game.

I thing the women use a smaller ball because of the common perception of the time that women have a natural weaker physological structure than men. that is true, but the reason why it depends on the sport, is because In basketball, for example, technique far outweighs size and strength, but you can use size to win if you lack the technique yor opponent has. For example, A man might be able to work his way up to bench pressing 600 lbs, a woman might work her way up to bench pressing 300 lbs, but she is never going to bench 600, and therein lies her gender based physiological limitations. But, In a sport like basketball, It is not at all common to have to obtain a strength level of 600 lb bench press, as a matter of fact, 300 lbs would be a stretch. If you can bench 350 lbs, chances are you are stronger than 85% of the NBA, atleast. If you are that strong, you would be a hell of a center, but would be horrible at shooting (any examples guys? LOL). Therefore, a sport like basketball isn't catered to strength, only certain aspects of it are.

With that said, a woman can definitely obtain the strength of any man necessary for optimum basketball performance. But, strength is still advantageous to a man, and a woman would have to work harder to get there, so you still have to say that strength is still catered to a man's abilities, obviously. I think this is the treasoning behind the smaller ball.

But, I don't think It's necessary. Only a certain amount of strength is needed for shooting optimumly, and It's not at all that far away (if at all) from a female athlete's natural strength. There is no difference between coordination between men and women based off of gender, and so I don't see it necessary in 2008 for the women to have a smaller ball, If they make it they make it, and if they miss, they miss, It'll be the same result. I just think that It's the result of an old way of thinkig.


Besides, It's one of the reason's why I wanted the recap of the 3-point championships for each gender of every year, (and they always end it with a "battle of the sexes"), where everyone uses the exact same size ball, the same number of balls, the same shooting distance, and the same 2-point "moneyball" at the end.

[WildKat]

Where is skippy? He will find it!

[cuse_man]

I am not about to read everything you wrote... maybe I don't understand what your trying to get accross.. maybe I can break it down be sure to tell me... I will also provide the only answer you need to know for each

using basketball as a example:

Both at a professional/college level can the best woman beat the best man 1v1 ?

No, never... if you believe this you got problems.

Could a woman beat a man in a shootout ?

Yes ( happened a year or 2 ago in college you wont have to look back far )

[huscroft6]

And as Cuse said, it happened in a shootout. A shootout isnt an actual "sport" so to speak. If you are looking for proof for a woman beating a man in a "sport" say in 1 on 1 basketball or team basketball or any other official sport, it wont happen. Now if your taking ANY event like a random shootout where even a high schooler may get lucky and hit more than a pro, then of course. Anyone, male or female, could win. But an actual sport, Tiger vs Annika over 72 holes, Celtics vs pick your WNBA team, Red Wings vs top womens team etc etc etc..... could NEVER occur

[cuse_man]

Originally Posted by huscroft6

And as Cuse said, it happened in a shootout. A shootout isnt an actual "sport" so to speak. If you are looking for proof for a woman beating a man in a "sport" say in 1 on 1 basketball or team basketball or any other official sport, it wont happen. Now if your taking ANY event like a random shootout where even a high schooler may get lucky and hit more than a pro, then of course. Anyone, male or female, could win. But an actual sport, Tiger vs Annika over 72 holes, Celtics vs pick your WNBA team, Red Wings vs top womens team etc etc etc..... could NEVER occur

Ill take the knicks vs WNBA all star team