first they want o.t. changed

[Jahred]

when colts lose in playoffs last year, now they want to change the rule where you have to maintain possesion if going to the ground after hitting the ground after raiders td taken away last night. Talking about it on espn radio right now

lmao

[upinya83]

should have been raiders td last night imo

ot rule is fine with me, if the other team starts with the ball then fkn stop someone

[rjb1816]

lol...manning never lost to chargers last year, he lost to rule book

[Jahred]

Originally Posted by upinya83

should have been raiders td last night imo

ot rule is fine with me, if the other team starts with the ball then fkn stop someone

according to the rule it was teh right call, if you saw the playoff game buc @ rams a while back you would have shit

[upinya83]

they have to rewrite rulebook to keep league competitive

nobody would watch if sd wins every superbowl

[Romanowski]

raiders always get fed by refs, goes back to 70s when AL sued the league

right call its a stupid rule and doesnt follow whats a catch on the rest of the field

[Jahred]

Originally Posted by Romanowski

raiders always get fed by refs, goes back to 70s when AL sued the league

right call its a stupid rule and doesnt follow whats a catch on the rest of the field

tuck rule was brutal

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by Romanowski

right call its a stupid rule and doesnt follow whats a catch on the rest of the field

sure it does...if you are on the sideline and get two feet barely in and fall to the ground, it's not a catch if the ball comes loose when you hit. the rule is pretty consistent in that any time you go to the ground, you need to keep possession of the ball

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by upinya83

they have to rewrite rulebook to keep league competitive

nobody would watch if sd wins every superbowl

even the playing field sometimes is a necessary evil

[Jahred]

Originally Posted by rjb1816

sure it does...if you are on the sideline and get two feet barely in and fall to the ground, it's not a catch if the ball comes loose when you hit. the rule is pretty consistent in that any time you go to the ground, you need to keep possession of the ball

yea .. looooo van pelt used a running back as an examble

[Romanowski]

on the rest of the field if you have possession for two steps its a catch

I might be missing something on the play I guess, ill take a look again

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by Jahred

yea .. looooo van pelt used a running back as an examble

sigh...how can you compare a rb who doesnt have to establish possession of a ball to a wr who is catching a pass and must establish control of it before it is ruled to be possessed. stupid

[Jahred]

Originally Posted by Romanowski

on the rest of the field if you have possession for two steps its a catch

I might be missing something on the play I guess, ill take a look again

not if the player is going to the ground anywhere on the field or out of bounds

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by Romanowski

on the rest of the field if you have possession for two steps its a catch

this is incorrect

So, they lost four points on the call. And they lost the game by four points. Here is the official explanation from Carl Cheffers:

“Let me just grab the [rule] book here, and I’m going to read you what the book says. We had a situation where the receiver caught the pass in the air and as he is coming down to the ground, he is actually going to the ground. That’s a defined term in our rule book, a player, a receiver who is going to the ground. The rule book says, if a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass, with or without contact by opponent -- so that can be on his own. In this case, he got hit by an opponent -- he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or in the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete. That wasn’t the case. What we ruled, what we saw in replay, was that he was going to the ground, as he came down the ball came loose, he lost control of the ball, the ball skidded along the ground, he eventually completely lost control of the ball. So, by rule, by what we saw in review, it’s an incomplete pass.”

[upinya83]

Originally Posted by rjb1816

The rule book says, if a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass, with or without contact by opponent --

imo the act of catching the pass was over by the time he went to the ground

i mean how many steps does someone have to take, or how much time has to pass before the "act of catching a pass" is over

i mean can a guy catch a pass, take 5 steps, start to get tackled and the ball come out, is it a fumble or incomplete pass?

i know that's exaggerating a bit, but i think the catch was made pryor to going to the ground

hell, he still had possesion of the ball anyway when his elbow hit the ground, imo