Fool's gold in nwe:

[Pic n Locs]

Simply or clearly taking an objectionable look realizing the Complexity of NFL, Momentum, Health, Ect...

The Giants danced around all season in the NFC EAST, a Division that for the most part couldn't find an identity. Regardless NYG found there way...built momentum....and returned some very key players. Along this latter path, confidence was found/realized with a talented Defense as well as Offence.

Fools Gold in NWE:
It amazes me: simply spin back to Oct 30.....Nov 6.... After that start n (Nov 13th) Brady led the team, they haven t lost. But WHO HAVE THEY PLAYED....CHECK OUT THE QB opposition in those team s as well.

I ll drive this home as well:
Regarding NWE/GMEN matchup:

We just saw a team equal to the Patriots with offensive dominance and similar weaknesses on defense, the Packers, get manhandled at home by the Giants. Defense is proving to be a key cog in football once again, despite being proved wrong all season by dominant offenses rolling through the season with ease.

[Pic n Locs]

Revisiting this point as I should have Elaborated on this statement:

CHECK OUT THE QB opposition in those team s as well. Clearly those "QB's" did not have the offense means to compete with Brady nor the Defense to contain him. NYG has both, thus making then a compounded threat...I've questioned why NWE even opened as a Fav.

This match up, if NWE is to win, will come solely as a result of a flawless Brady performance, although I'm still not convince this will prove to be enough as Manning has an equally dangerous offensive squad at his disposal with a Defense to apply pressure.

Gronko will be limping into this affair and who knows really how Heath Hernandez is...

[boldt]

Didn't we hear about this already? You can only beat the teams on your schedule...

Brady might have had one his worse games off the season still put up 23.

If gronk is 95percent they win easily....Vegas must love all this nyg love.

[Pic n Locs]

I guess we shall see Feb 5th.... (lay'd 4 stacks of high society NYG catching +3.5)

Despite Vegas having a Terrible Year relative to what they r accustom too regarding CollegeFB & NFL, patients is there forte & don't think they care one way or the other.

They r in the business of risk management

[MHawk]

Originally Posted by boldt

....Vegas must love all this nyg love.

Vegas is praying the Giants lose. At beginning of the season I think Vegas had Giants at 80 to 1 odds to win the Super Bowl. If Giants win their going to paying out big to all those Giants fans who took those odds.

[Ricky Tan]

Team that has the ball last will win

[resteasy]

Originally Posted by boldt

Didn't we hear about this already? You can only beat the teams on your schedule...

Brady might have had one his worse games off the season still put up 23.

If gronk is 95percent they win easily....Vegas must love all this nyg love.

could have sworn I've heard an argument just like this earlier this season... hmm weird.

You can only beat the teams on your schedule. Like when the giants beat the pats in new england this year?

Oh! that's where I had heard all of that before.

[ThaBusdriver]

With a two tight end set the Giants won't be able to blitz from the outside effectively. There's no one on big blue the can cover or match Gronk, and Hernandez for both speed and size combined. Green Ellis has never put the ball on the ground and can run inside or out. The Giants D will take the wind out of NE's sails but they're not going to punt more than 3 times. NE hits 5 scores in this game for either 23, or 27 pts. This Giants will make mistakes on offence. Bradshaw isn't dominant, Jacob's can't turn the corner. NY's only dominant part of they're game is passing, but the more recievers you put on the field the weaker you are up front. Eli's improved leaps and bounds this year but, we've all seen him make some dumbass decicions that lead to turnovers (more frequent than Brady). I give NE a slight edge in all game criteria with the exception of they're secondary, which Eli will have to exploit in order to score. I don't think the Giants keep pace. If both teams are at their best this goes down 27-24 NE well under 55.5 imo

[The Frozen Pond]

Originally Posted by boldt

If gronk is 95percent they win easily

obviously, they're the Pats


they're AMAAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZING!

[resteasy]

Originally Posted by ThaBusdriver

With a two tight end set the Giants won't be able to blitz from the outside effectively. There's no one on big blue the can cover or match Gronk, and Hernandez for both speed and size combined. Green Ellis has never put the ball on the ground and can run inside or out. The Giants D will take the wind out of NE's sails but they're not going to punt more than 3 times. NE hits 5 scores in this game for either 23, or 27 pts. This Giants will make mistakes on offence. Bradshaw isn't dominant, Jacob's can't turn the corner. NY's only dominant part of they're game is passing, but the more recievers you put on the field the weaker you are up front. Eli's improved leaps and bounds this year but, we've all seen him make some dumbass decicions that lead to turnovers (more frequent than Brady). I give NE a slight edge in all game criteria with the exception of they're secondary, which Eli will have to exploit in order to score. I don't think the Giants keep pace. If both teams are at their best this goes down 27-24 NE well under 55.5 imo

Good post.

Here's the thing though. Giants do not need to match gronk and/or hernandez 1 on 1. Remember, they already played the pats in NE with gronk and hernandez and they beat them. They did the complete opposite of what you predict here though at the time predicted to do the same. Instead, 0 first quarter points by brady.

Giants have the front 4 to put pressure on brady. This pressure forces Brady into a quicker decision. Take gronk who's probably crossing the field, hernandez out to the left or welker upfield. Giants leave a man in the middle to fall forward onto gronk as he crosses putting him out of rhythm, one to the right to float in or back and leave what's left to cover the receivers including hernandez on the left which is hard for brady to get to because he's being rushed.
That's the key to the patriot's offense. Timing. If you rush brady and get a good bump on the WR's everything is thrown out of phase and the ball needs to get somewhere immediately.

As for Eli. He's been good for the last couple years. Last year he had a ton of int's that were off the hands of WR's. This year, he's had less. In the last 3 games for NY 2 for NE (playoffs) Brady has 3int's to Eli's 1. So the part in bold really doesn't work. Even in the regular season brady had 12ints to eli's 16. But brady was sacked more too. It all balances out really. Th key to it is pressure and the Giants are far more likely to put that pressure on especially since they already have proven they can this season.

Now, I'm not saying Brady will have 6ints and 0td's. Of course there is the big play ability of gronk and welker. Even hernandez running out of the backfield which I think we'll see more as the Giants are not that great against the run.

Offensively the Giants have the big play WR's in cruz and nicks with the added benefit of a good receiver in Manningham. Buoy that with a much more dyamic running game of bradshaw and jacobs and an ok tight end in ballard or beckum and you've got a lot to account for on an already weak D.

It's odd this season how bellichik has been using rookies and FA's and made some questionable moves in his D but he knows more than we do. Last couple games they have looked better, not great but slightly better. Of course that was against tebow and flacco and flacco didn't have a terrible game either.

[Romanowski]

This guy has posted the same thing in a lot of threads.. He isnt only betting the gmen he eants everyone to know why. Not only in his own thread but everyone elses. Dont try to give him him any reasons to take the pats. Afterall there arent any lol...its fools gold. In the crazy event the pats cover.. Wonder if he will have a write up explaining how this happenef ...he can copy and paste it everywhere...just like this one

[The Frozen Pond]

Wonder how many times in a row the Giants have to beat the Pats before they get any respect


I guess two, in a Super Bowl as a two TD underdog and on the road as almost a double digit dog, is clearly not enough


Keep makin' the Pats the favorites though, seems to be working out quite well

[ThaBusdriver]

Originally Posted by resteasy

Good post.

Here's the thing though. Giants do not need to match gronk and/or hernandez 1 on 1. Remember, they already played the pats in NE with gronk and hernandez and they beat them. They did the complete opposite of what you predict here though at the time predicted to do the same. Instead, 0 first quarter points by brady.

Giants have the front 4 to put pressure on brady. This pressure forces Brady into a quicker decision. Take gronk who's probably crossing the field, hernandez out to the left or welker upfield. Giants leave a man in the middle to fall forward onto gronk as he crosses putting him out of rhythm, one to the right to float in or back and leave what's left to cover the receivers including hernandez on the left which is hard for brady to get to because he's being rushed.
That's the key to the patriot's offense. Timing. If you rush brady and get a good bump on the WR's everything is thrown out of phase and the ball needs to get somewhere immediately.

As for Eli. He's been good for the last couple years. Last year he had a ton of int's that were off the hands of WR's. This year, he's had less. In the last 3 games for NY 2 for NE (playoffs) Brady has 3int's to Eli's 1. So the part in bold really doesn't work. Even in the regular season brady had 12ints to eli's 16. But brady was sacked more too. It all balances out really. Th key to it is pressure and the Giants are far more likely to put that pressure on especially since they already have proven they can this season.

Now, I'm not saying Brady will have 6ints and 0td's. Of course there is the big play ability of gronk and welker. Even hernandez running out of the backfield which I think we'll see more as the Giants are not that great against the run.

Offensively the Giants have the big play WR's in cruz and nicks with the added benefit of a good receiver in Manningham. Buoy that with a much more dyamic running game of bradshaw and jacobs and an ok tight end in ballard or beckum and you've got a lot to account for on an already weak D.

It's odd this season how bellichik has been using rookies and FA's and made some questionable moves in his D but he knows more than we do. Last couple games they have looked better, not great but slightly better. Of course that was against tebow and flacco and flacco didn't have a terrible game either.

The Only thing i can agree with here is Brady under pressure. He's looked panicked before.
The Giants, months ago, beating a Patriots team that doesn't exist anymore, is irrelevant, or at least matched by the "revenge factor". Belichick is the best coach in the league, in making adjustments and utilizing his team's strength's.
As for the Giant's "dynamic running game" Both Rb's have trouble hanging on to the football. When Jacobs is in, everyone knows where the ball is going. It's tough to be predictable, inefficient, and dynamic in the same sentence.

You can't look at three games played against three different teams, and use it as a comparative analysis between two QB's sensibility, with any degree of accuracy. If Brady and Eli were both free agents, and you were a GM, who would you rather have? Half of Brady's picks this year came in a fluke game against my beloved Bills. He makes far better decisions in a 3 s span than Eli, and protects the ball better when (on the rare occasion) shit goes south.

Rom's right. I can't take NE to cover. But that line is so tight I can't take the Giants either.

[ThaBusdriver]

Originally Posted by The Frozen Pond

Wonder how many times in a row the Giants have to beat the Pats before they get any respect


I guess two, in a Super Bowl as a two TD underdog and on the road as almost a double digit dog, is clearly not enough


Keep makin' the Pats the favorites though, seems to be working out quite well

The Giants don't get "respect" because they're either talked about as underrated, or overrated. The Patriots are just "The Patriots". No bullshit, just a modern day dynasty. Any football team that can keep 85 quiet while catching 15 passes, is a team that has already done all it needs to, to garner respect. When the Giants can avg 13 wins a season, and put together back to back rings, they'll be the same.
If the Giants were favoured in this game where would ALL the money go? If you were a sports book would you actually take bets on NE taking points???

[The Frozen Pond]

I'm just fine with the Giants being underdogs and would never expect a book to install them as favorites



Won't matter anyway, NO WAY Lord Tom has two bad games in a row

Heaven forbid