Kevin Burnett is my new hero

[Steel]

Kevin Burnett called out Godell and now he is my favorite player. Finally someone called this clown out. Never played the game and all he has done is fine the players taking money away from them. The comment about not playing the game was spot on. This phuck stick is so full of himself that he will never be a good commish. Kick this guy to the curb he has proven that he can't get the job done and now the players hate him. Hopefully more will speak up and he will be apart of the new agreement. The players will sign if Godell is gone. LMAO.

[Romanowski]

has any commisioner played before? has nothing to do with being a good commissioner

he works for the owners as a collective group...get that through your head, he protects their interests, thats his job

I dont think hes particularly good or bad myself, dont feel strong either way and cant see why anyone would

the labor agreement will get figured out im sure, thanks to both sides coming together

that players comments are stupid

[Patriots Game]

The only commish that needs to go is the Count. Gary Bettman.

[Kramer]

hi steel ,
Doobie thought 4 ya ,

we've semmed to usually often never disagreed ,

so if Godell is the problem ,
then what is the solution?

rather than think on the blame ,
think on the "solution" ,

just an environment(plant) cooperative
suggestion

I.E - who would be a better replacement ?

and why ,
dont just name a person but
support some
analysis

[BigFratDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kramer

hi steel ,
Doobie thought 4 ya ,

we've semmed to usually often never disagreed ,

so if Godell is the problem ,
then what is the solution?

rather than think on the blame ,
think on the "solution" ,

just an environment(plant) cooperative
suggestion

I.E - who would be a better replacement ?

and why ,
dont just name a person but
support some
analysis

must have been some good bud

[Dr. Jack]

Kevin Burnett said some dumb stuff. He wants Goodell to fix the drug problem too? What's wrong for being held accountable? And you have to play the game to know something?

Oh & owners in this mess because of the shit deal Tagliabue signed on his way out.

Players getting millions of dollars to play football. I know this is not popular opinion but STFU & take what they'll give you. Just play football or I don't know - get a real job if it's so bad.

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by Romanowski

has any commisioner played before? has nothing to do with being a good commissioner

he works for the owners as a collective group...get that through your head, he protects their interests, thats his job

I dont think hes particularly good or bad myself, dont feel strong either way and cant see why anyone would

the labor agreement will get figured out im sure, thanks to both sides coming together

that players comments are stupid

exactly...he's just doing the owners bidding. he's the frontman for them, this is really just shots at the owners but he cant really come out and say that

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by Dr. Jack

Kevin Burnett said some dumb stuff. He wants Goodell to fix the drug problem too? What's wrong for being held accountable? And you have to play the game to know something?

Oh & owners in this mess because of the shit deal Tagliabue signed on his way out.

Players getting millions of dollars to play football. I know this is not popular opinion but STFU & take what they'll give you. Just play football or I don't know - get a real job if it's so bad.

They also provide a unique service that no other person in the world can provide to a business that is one of the biggest in the world. I think they have some leverage and would understand them not taking the "we're happy to accept anything you offer" stance. Especially when the owners have been so cheap as to not take care of them better after they are done "earning" for them

[Dr. Jack]

Originally Posted by rjb1816

They also provide a unique service that no other person in the world can provide to a business that is one of the biggest in the world. I think they have some leverage and would understand them not taking the "we're happy to accept anything you offer" stance. Especially when the owners have been so cheap as to not take care of them better after they are done "earning" for them

Okay and they are paid a substantial amount to offer that unique service. If it's so rough they should go sell real estate or something or be a teacher & really earn your pay.

Let's not act as if they are not paid well or "slaves" (Adrian Peterson). Who wouldn't do it?

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by Dr. Jack

Okay and they are paid a substantial amount to offer that unique service. If it's so rough they should go sell real estate or something or be a teacher & really earn your pay.

Let's not act as if they are not paid well or "slaves" (Adrian Peterson). Who wouldn't do it?

They're not saying it's rough, they are saying you want us to take less money show us why. The owners so far have refused to do that...pretty hard to ask someone to take less money without any justification for it. Also pretty hard to ask them to take less money so that owners can build new stadiums. Both sides need each other...but until the owners show reasons more money is need by them they arent gonna get anywhere. Which is why the courts will take it over now

[Dr. Jack]

Originally Posted by rjb1816

Both sides need each other...but until the owners show reasons more money is need by them they arent gonna get anywhere. Which is why the courts will take it over now

I agree with this part but until the players quit acting like playing football is like as important as saving lives they won't get anywhere.

I hear what you are saying - Kevin Mawae and all the NFLPA have been saying it over and over again but they have that "we not budging mentality" and for a group that makes millions of dollars for playing a game, they should be willing to budge a little

Everyone and their mother knows salaries are out of control and yes, owners are to blame for that but it also has to be fixed at some point.

[BigFratDaddy]

Originally Posted by rjb1816

They're not saying it's rough, they are saying you want us to take less money show us why. The owners so far have refused to do that...pretty hard to ask someone to take less money without any justification for it. Also pretty hard to ask them to take less money so that owners can build new stadiums. Both sides need each other...but until the owners show reasons more money is need by them they arent gonna get anywhere. Which is why the courts will take it over now

Im sorry but i do NOT side with the players on this.

They have zero risk in comparison to owners like Jerry Jones and they are already paid a handsome salary.

The owners deserve to make as much money as they want because well THEY ARE THE ****ING OWNERS.

The league will be fine if Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or anyone else wants to go get a job elsewhere. There are plenty of players capable of replacing every single player on any roster.

To hear any super star player complain about the NFL is ridiculous. The owners have provided a platform, not only to make millions for playing football, but millions in endorsements and plenty of shit on the side.

Once again, the players are ****ing employees.

If one of my construction crews came in and wanted more money because "they do all the actual work in the field," I would tell him to **** off or ask him if he would like to put his paycheck towards materials, office supplies, office mortgage, gas for the trucks, etc etc etc etc because thats where my money goes.

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by BigFratDaddy

Im sorry but i do NOT side with the players on this.

They have zero risk in comparison to owners like Jerry Jones and they are already paid a handsome salary.

The owners deserve to make as much money as they want because well THEY ARE THE ****ING OWNERS.

The league will be fine if Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or anyone else wants to go get a job elsewhere. There are plenty of players capable of replacing every single player on any roster.

To hear any super star player complain about the NFL is ridiculous. The owners have provided a platform, not only to make millions for playing football, but millions in endorsements and plenty of shit on the side.

Once again, the players are ****ing employees.

If one of my construction crews came in and wanted more money because "they do all the actual work in the field," I would tell him to **** off or ask him if he would like to put his paycheck towards materials, office supplies, office mortgage, gas for the trucks, etc etc etc etc because thats where my money goes.

Lol apparently you dont understand the concept of leverage in negotiations, nor do you comprehend the "risk" the owners are taking on

1. The owners really are "risking" a lot...lets see I wonder how many are losing money in this 7 billion revenue a year business. How many arent selling out every game? How many arent raising ticket prices, concession prices, parking prices? Lol ya they are taking on a ton of risk making money hand over fist

2. The players provide a unique service you're not understanding this. If you replace players like Brees and Manning who DRIVE ticket sales, merchandise sales, tv revenue, advertising and replace them with some no name qb off the street you think fans are going to keep paying? You're insane if you think that. THAT is where the players have leverage...the owners need the players just as much as the players need the "platform" provided to them. Hate to tell you, a nice platform with a shitty product is not gonna sell to anybody.

3. The players arent asking for more money. They've already made concessions on that front and not asked for a penny more. And..If the construction crew you are talking about had a unique talent to build things that no other crew could build and the things they built provided you with your biggest and most profitable business segment I would say it would be smart to listen to them and not kick em out the door because they dont want to take a paycut. Because if you choose to take that route your business is going straight in the shitter


Finally, not sure how anyone can side with the owners when their shady business dealings to **** over the players in the last tv deal is so ****ing obvious and total bullshit. And that's in addition to how SHITTY they have treated retired players over the years...it's pathetic

[Patriots Game]

. Agree with most especially retired players.

[BigFratDaddy]

Originally Posted by rjb1816

Lol apparently you dont understand the concept of leverage in negotiations, nor do you comprehend the "risk" the owners are taking on

1. The owners really are "risking" a lot...lets see I wonder how many are losing money in this 7 billion revenue a year business. How many arent selling out every game? How many arent raising ticket prices, concession prices, parking prices? Lol ya they are taking on a ton of risk making money hand over fist

2. The players provide a unique service you're not understanding this. If you replace players like Brees and Manning who DRIVE ticket sales, merchandise sales, tv revenue, advertising and replace them with some no name qb off the street you think fans are going to keep paying? You're insane if you think that. THAT is where the players have leverage...the owners need the players just as much as the players need the "platform" provided to them. Hate to tell you, a nice platform with a shitty product is not gonna sell to anybody.

3. The players arent asking for more money. They've already made concessions on that front and not asked for a penny more. And..If the construction crew you are talking about had a unique talent to build things that no other crew could build and the things they built provided you with your biggest and most profitable business segment I would say it would be smart to listen to them and not kick em out the door because they dont want to take a paycut. Because if you choose to take that route your business is going straight in the shitter


Finally, not sure how anyone can side with the owners when their shady business dealings to **** over the players in the last tv deal is so ****ing obvious and total bullshit. And that's in addition to how SHITTY they have treated retired players over the years...it's pathetic

I understand the concept of leverage. And the owners arent "risking" a lot, yes because they built a great product. Similar to Apple, its going to make money no matter what economy (for the most part).

When I say risk, i mean the financial responsibilities to run a franchise. The players arent helping Jerry make his mortgage payment for the stadium are they? Didnt think so.

The players are unique until the next star arrives and its all how you market that player. You think you cant find that hungry back up waiting to emerge or the kid out of college who wants to be a star? Get real.

Mike Vick was a huge star, but the NFL didnt suffer without him. The Falcons had a down year but they drafted Matt Ryan who is now the face of the franchise and a star. The effects of replacing these unique players would only be momentarily felt.

The fact is, the owners really dont need to give the players any piece of their pie. Realistically the players should make their salary and any benefits.