Prop Bet Question

[home dogs]

I want anyone's opinion on this topic
I put in a prop bet with a local book The bet said
Other then 0-0 will the score of the game ever be tied

I bet Yes

After the Patriots scored the TD at the end of the 2nd quarter to make it 9-9 before the extra point I considered myself a winner.
The prop bet says EVER, IMO 9-9 is a tie and an official score at some point in the game.
The local book is scoring it as NO and any bettor who took it as a LOSS

I looked on Vegas prop bets and on the multiple sites I looked at that prop bet said (after conversion) after the Vegas bets, the one I put in did not have that line so I think I should win

I want anyones opinion in either way

[resteasy]

I'd say you should win. If it says 'ever' then that means ever.

I know people run football pool squares that if the score ever touches your numbers you win. Which includes 6-0 then 7-0 for TD and extra. I'd view that prop the same.

I had an issue too (not to hijack your thread) where i bet brady's first pass incomplete. He did throw incomplete to get the safety. Book ruled it a loss for me as his next pass went complete. I still need to call them.

[Randle Pat McMurphy]

Have never seen a single book which does not include the conversion attempt after a TD when scoring such a prop. If the conversion attempt fails, you have a winner. If it is converted, you have a loser. The extra point doesnt even wind time off the clock, it is part of the TD play.

Can understand your book not putting that statement (after conversion) in their prop as a conversion must take place after a TD. The extra point doesnt even wind time off the clock as it is part of the TD play, not an additional play in and of itself. Only exception, if a TD is scored in OT to win the game. Then, the extra point is not tried as it is not necessary.

[Randle Pat McMurphy]

Originally Posted by resteasy

I'd say you should win. If it says 'ever' then that means ever.

I know people run football pool squares that if the score ever touches your numbers you win. Which includes 6-0 then 7-0 for TD and extra. I'd view that prop the same.

I had an issue too (not to hijack your thread) where i bet brady's first pass incomplete. He did throw incomplete to get the safety. Book ruled it a loss for me as his next pass went complete. I still need to call them.

In your case, resteasy, the pass attempt is negated by the penalty. Same as any other penalty. Lets say Brady throws a complete pass on 1st attempt but there is a holding penalty called. The pass doesnt count as an attempt nor does any pass attempt on a play where there is an accepted penalty. The penalty over rides the play outcome.

[resteasy]

I disagree on both accounts RPM

The penalty is intentional grounding. BY definition an incomplete pass.
It was a pass that was not caught by anyone. His first pass was not caught it should be a win. He was penalized because of the pass meaning the pass counts.

The TD 6 points is part of the score. Look at any game log and you'll see 6-0 then 7-0. Extra point is not automatic, it is not guarenteed to even occur as they can go for 2. The scoreboard does not wait for it the numbers tick 6 up. If the book doesn't include it there is NO such thing as assuming. You use the argument of assumption the other way in the conversation and they'd laugh at you.

Book didn't include it then it's their fault and it should count.

[grzftbl]

Bottom line the score was tied 9-9. Not really anything to think about.

[Randle Pat McMurphy]

Originally Posted by resteasy

I disagree on both accounts RPM

The penalty is intentional grounding. BY definition an incomplete pass.
It was a pass that was not caught by anyone. His first pass was not caught it should be a win. He was penalized because of the pass meaning the pass counts.

The TD 6 points is part of the score. Look at any game log and you'll see 6-0 then 7-0. Extra point is not automatic, it is not guarenteed to even occur as they can go for 2. The scoreboard does not wait for it the numbers tick 6 up. If the book doesn't include it there is NO such thing as assuming. You use the argument of assumption the other way in the conversation and they'd laugh at you.

Book didn't include it then it's their fault and it should count.

As for the pass, I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure it doesnt get counted in Brady's official pass attempts/completions. If it is, you do have an argument on your prop. To me, it is an end zone spot file (same as if holding was called) and the play is negated--the penalty is the play. Sure there is something in the official stat rules you may be able to find. LMK if you find anything.


As for the extra point issue, you are obviously correct, the scoring team can opt to go for two. It is still a conversion attempt which is "part" of the play which resulted in the touchdown. In either case, the clock doesnt move as the conversion is not considered to be a separate play.

While the scoreboard may change, the scoring play isnt over until the conversion is tried. You cant have a conversion attempt without a score. It isnt an assumption, as I dont believe the scoring team can choose to not attempt a conversion. The only exception is OT.

[resteasy]

the assumption is an extra point.
Which doesnt matter as if the prop says the score is Ever tied then when that score board reads 9-9 it doesn't matter what is about to happen that's it. It stopped there the end. Time is not an issue when saying Ever reaching a tie.

As for my pass... called and call reversed! They agreed I should have won. Crediting my account now.
(it wasn't much but heck I'd bother them for a single dollar)

[Randle Pat McMurphy]

Originally Posted by resteasy

the assumption is an extra point.
Which doesnt matter as if the prop says the score is Ever tied then when that score board reads 9-9 it doesn't matter what is about to happen that's it. It stopped there the end. Time is not an issue when saying Ever reaching a tie.

As for my pass... called and call reversed! They agreed I should have won. Crediting my account now.
(it wasn't much but heck I'd bother them for a single dollar)

Learned something new as I did a quick count of Brady's pass attempts--the incomplete pass on the safety call was included in his official stats. So, yes, you should get credit for your play. Glad they made it right.

[mark12]

Originally Posted by Randle Pat McMurphy

Learned something new as I did a quick count of Brady's pass attempts--the incomplete pass on the safety call was included in his official stats. So, yes, you should get credit for your play. Glad they made it right.

Guess they would have to count the pass because without it there is no penalty.

[resteasy]

thanks man.
Hope home dogs calls and gets clarification as well. The wording of it makes it sound like a winner.

[home dogs]

My bet was with a local book who put out a prop bet sheet waiting to hear the decision

[Tiny tim]

Originally Posted by home dogs

My bet was with a local book who put out a prop bet sheet waiting to hear the decision

If he is a good local then he should just call it a winner.
Was it a large amount?

[chibob]

Originally Posted by Tiny tim

If he is a good local then he should just call it a winner.
Was it a large amount?

Tiny wants to know if it was large

[home dogs]

The local switched the decision he is calling it a win now...the dollar amount was not alot I bet $100 on personally had a couple of buddys involved called it in $200 total