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Old 01-09-2019, 10:40 PM
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A’s expect Kyler Murray to declare for the NFL draft

The A’s expect Heisman Trophy winner Kyler Murray, the team’s top pick last June, to declare for the NFL draft on Sunday.

Declaring for the draft does not guarantee that Murray, an outfielder Oakland selected ninth overall, will decide to reject his $4.66 million deal with the A’s outright, but it certainly increases the chances that Oklahoma’s star quarterback will decide to go pro in football rather than baseball.

“Contractually, it is not a big deal,” one source with knowledge of the situation said. “No harm in doing so.”

Should Murray, 21, opt to enter the NFL draft, the real question will come Feb. 15 when A’s position players report to Mesa, Ariz. — Murray has an invite to big-league camp. He could still opt to be in the A’s camp, but the NFL scouting combine begins Feb. 26 and any high-round hopeful would be expected to attend. That’s when Murray would have to make a decision between football and baseball, and one source told The Chronicle that Murray, a likely first-round NFL pick, is leaning toward football.

If Murray chooses the NFL and does not play baseball, he would have to return the signing bonus, but the A’s will not receive a compensation pick in this June’s draft. Numerous first-round major-league picks have failed to sign, including Stanford pitcher Mark Appel in 2013, but the Astros received a compensation pick the following year.

“That’s a huge problem, not getting a draft pick back,” one source said Wednesday evening. “That would be really bad.”

The A’s would retain Murray’s professional baseball rights should he join an NFL team, retaining the possibility he could play for them at a future date if football did not pan out as expected. Listed at 5-foot-10, Murray is small for an NFL quarterback, a concern for some teams although his size probably would not preclude him from being selected in the first round nor enjoying a productive career.

Murray’s draft outlook could weaken if he declared for the draft but did not attend the combine or team’s pre-draft workouts. There is, however, no possibility that Murray could play both football and baseball. Multiple sources agreed Wednesday that demands of learning and playing quarterback in the NFL would preclude Murray from playing professional baseball at the same time.

Oakland’s deal with Murray allowed him to return to Oklahoma and play football for his junior season, which he did spectacularly. When he signed, the A’s and agent Scott Boras indicated that the agreement did not allow for him to return for his senior season.

Boras told The Chronicle in early December that his client planned to report to A’s spring training in February. But Boras softened that stance five days later.

What happened in the interim? Murray won the Heisman Trophy.

“When you win the Heisman Trophy, you’re going to have a lot of information come to you to be looked at,” Boras said at the winter meetings in Las Vegas. “All I know is Kyler has a tremendous opportunity to be a great baseball player and he knows that. … He has every intention to be in spring training and advance that interest.”
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:41 PM
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Too small.

If he wants to go the football route try XFL
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:00 AM
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I believe he can play. I know he is small but those days are long gone imo where size matters at QB. This guy is electric and many say he is better than Mayfield. He will have passes swatted down but i just don't think it matters anymore if you are 5'8 or 5'10. Plenty of guys who were 6'3 couldn't play the position. I like his speed and mobility and his ability to find windows in the pocket to throw. He would be a nightmare for a defense.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:05 AM
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In October Kingsbury called him a freak and said he should no doubt be the #1 pick in the draft if he decided to go the NFL route.

Just so happens Arizona has the #1 pick. They were actually talking on Get Up this morning about Arizona trading Rosen to the Giants and drafting Murray. Anything is possible i guess. They even talked about a Beckham for Rosen trade and said it would give the Giants their QB and open up some nice cap room for NY, while also making Arizona a team to watch next season.

I thought it was interesting.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:14 AM
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This is another reason why i believe he has the ability with his size to play at the next level. I realize a College defense is not the NFL but those are some pretty decent names on that list and he was almost a full 2 points better than the 2nd best.

All-Time* FBS (I-A) Leaders
RK PLAYER YEAR TOTAL QBR
1 Kyler Murray, OKLA 2018 - 95.8
2 Russell Wilson, WIS 2011 - 94.1
3 Andrew Luck, STAN 2010 - 93.8
4 Tua Tagovailoa, ALA 2018 - 93.2
5 Baker Mayfield, OKLA 2017 - 92.3
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:21 AM
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I would hate to see Rosen in NY ... imo he blows.

OBJ will be out of NY soon but I hope they at least get somebody decent in return
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:24 AM
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Funny thing is, Scheffter says Beckham wouldn't be enough to get that deal done. NY would have to give more.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:30 AM
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Hopefully we never find out, Rosen isn't the answer ... BUT, could totally see the Giants pursuing him.

Giants need to finally think outside the box and look for a duel threat QB, this immobile stuff has been done to death in NY and doesn't work.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:31 AM
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What would you think if the Giants drafted Murray at 6? He is that duel threat guy.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:35 AM
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If you had to choose 1

Rosen or Murray?
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:36 AM
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I wouldn't be mad at that, would rather try that over Rosen

Wouldn't mind a flyer on Dwayne Haskins but from what I heard NY not really looking in his direction ... Also I see somebody trading up and he's off the board before Giants select.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:38 AM
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Kiper projects mid to late 1st round for Murray but he is clueless. I think his height could keep him from going 1 but i would love to see Murray some how find his way here.
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:27 AM
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:17 PM
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Hes unreal but 5-8 is too short IMO. You need to be a passer. That bs running that Baltimore does wont work as LAC showed. If you cannot throw youre done. I think Kyler has the arm and accuracy but in the pocket with that height I just question it big time. There comes a point where someone is too short.
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:48 PM
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huge for the NFL. and this could be huge for Arizona at 1
I mean think about it, came out today that Kingsbury had an interview two years ago when he was at Texas Tech and he called Kyler Murray a flat-out stud. and if he was coaching at NFL team with the number one pick in the draft he would not hesitate and pick up Kyler Murray in a heartbeat

think about that they picked up Rosen last year if they do this if he comes out and if they pick him up at 1. Should tell me and us that they consider Rosen a bust.
if they do pick them up they have to make Josh Rosen gone they cannot keep both Rosen has a attitude where he could turn around and be a disrupter to the chemistry.
Rosen is a diva I don't think he's a good quarterback, and his relationship with Arizona could turn very salty and if they s*** the bed next year with Kyler Murray everybody will be crying for Kingsbury's head
that's why I think if they do make him the overall number one pick that they get rid of Rosen
going to be real interesting to watch the next three months if Kingsbury thinks or does not think he can work with Josh Rosen
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A high-ranking Cardinals source called this notion of trading Rosen:

“Ludicrous. Not happening.”

So in NFL terms it means a good chance it could happen.
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I think yes is a lock, if Lamar Jackson went in the first round, I would expect Murray to be taken in the first round as well. The kid is a freak athlete and has a strong arm, I know he doesn't have the typical size teams look for (think Trevor Lawrence), but I heard the same thing about Mayfield, and he looks like the real deal, Murray is as electric an athlete as I've seen at the QB position, assuming he has the mental makeup, I think the kid will be a star in the NFL
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Baker is 6′ 1″ / 210

Kyler 5′ 10″ / 195
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Doug Flutie 5' 10
Russell Wilson 5'11

Of course Murray's height is a concern, but short QB's have had success, and Murray's athleticism is off the charts, in the right offense I think he can succeed
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Toss the Flutie size out the window ... He was a slightly above average NFL QB who was the 285th pick in the 11th round

Defensive players are a lot bigger / faster / stronger nowadays
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:45 PM
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Didn't he throw for over 300 a game? Throwing isn't an issue. You don't play a whole season in CFB and put up the best QBR of all time by mistake
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CFB and NFL are incomparable.

Teenagers / young 20s vs. Grown men
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:01 PM
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Does anybody really think an inch makes a difference between him and a guy like Wilson? The top 5 all time on the QBR list are guys who were not a bust. Jury is still out on tua.

Metrics at the QB position have gone right out the window in the last 5 years with guys that can scramble and find a window to throw in
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:13 PM
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Also keep in mind that many are just going by roster height ... I have heard / read he is actually 5'8

That's fucking tiny when talking NFL size.

Sure he can scramble but a kid that size could get destroyed getting hit hard just once.
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