Tirico- 2 minute warning

[lakersmetsjets]

I'm not sure why Mike was loosing his mind over the jets passing the ball on the plus side of the 2 minute warning.

At first, I agreed but upon further review, if the jets run the ball and the clock goes down to 2 mins, 3rd and long is most likely an incomplete pass and the clock stops at 1:55? So that gives the vikes an additional 10 secs?

If your argument is, they should have run on 2nd and 3rd down and run the clock down to 1 min., I disagree b/c 1 min is plenty of time for favre to get in FG range. I would rather go for the kill.

[Dr. Jack]

I think it was mostly that second down where it took like 3 seconds and Sanchez almost threw a INT. They could have rolled him out or something where the play would have taken more time. I think that's the reasoning.

Saying that - teams who win take chances like that all the time. Hard to fault him for that

But you know Vikings backers were happy they did (although it didn't work out)

[QuadzillaXXX]

this is one of those cases that the outcome defines the genius of the play lol

the steelers run the ball against the ravens, don't get anywhere and have to punt so everyone says they should've tried a pass.......jets throw a pass, it doesn't work and everyone says they should've run

[bigsportsguy2006]

the play clock was at 4 when the ball was snapped. if you are smart, you run the play clock down to 1 and snap the ball, then keep ur passing play. maybe you complete it, maybe you dont .. either way, you get down to the 2 minute warning. you can discuss 3rd down from there. maybe ya run it if you picked up a few yards, maybe you pass it if you really want the first down. regardless, you took SOOOOO much of the control of the game out of your hands and now the defense isnt guessing.

[lakersmetsjets]

Originally Posted by bigsportsguy2006

the play clock was at 4 when the ball was snapped. if you are smart, you run the play clock down to 1 and snap the ball, then keep ur passing play. maybe you complete it, maybe you dont .. either way, you get down to the 2 minute warning. you can discuss 3rd down from there. maybe ya run it if you picked up a few yards, maybe you pass it if you really want the first down. regardless, you took SOOOOO much of the control of the game out of your hands and now the defense isnt guessing.

still a matter of 5 secs if you choose to pass it on third down (assuming the 3rd down pass is incomplete). If you choose to run in on 3rd down, chew the clock down to 1 min and favre comes back on you, everyone kills you for not throwing on 3rd down

[jonnyblaze]

Not a Jets fan, but obviously Ryan knows his shit, think Ill trust him over dumbass Tirico hanging on to one little potential mistake on a team that won.

[bigsportsguy2006]

agreed, but like you said, thats if the pass is incomplete. gives you a chance to run a screen or something that is a pass and gives your player a chance to make the play, but also runs the clock to ensure that you waste 50 more seconds as well.

[MCP313]

They cost themselves 40 secs by snapping the ball on 2nd down too soon which couldve been a disastrous mistake and yes it was inexcusable given the circumstance. Tirico was absolutely in the right on this one.

[lakersmetsjets]

Originally Posted by MtrCtyPimp

They cost themselves 40 secs by snapping the ball on 2nd down too soon which couldve been a disastrous mistake and yes it was inexcusable given the circumstance. Tirico was absolutely in the right on this one.

erroneous

# 1-10-NYJ 35 (2:47) 21-L.Tomlinson up the middle to NYJ 34 for -1 yards (91-R.Edwards; 56-E.Henderson).
# 2-11-NYJ 34 (2:08) 6-M.Sanchez pass incomplete short right to 10-S.Holmes.
# 3-11-NYJ 34 (2:04) (Shotgun) 6-M.Sanchez pass incomplete short left to 17-B.Edwards.

[bigsportsguy2006]

lmj ... this is our point ... so the first play was snapped at 2:47 ... say that play only takes 4 seconds (very lowwwww estimate) ... then run 40 off for the playclock, the 2nd down play should be snapped at 2:03 ... say that play only takes 4 seconds (again, a very low estimate, and an incomplete pass) ... now the clock reads 1:59 and the 2-minute warning is used up .... now on 3rd down, you run a screen or something that is completed, and also has a chance to get the first down ... worst case, you waste 40 seconds on the play clock, plus the time it takes to run the play ... so at least 45 seconds. now favre is getting the ball with 1:15 minus the time of the punt (another 5 seconds minimum) ... so 1:10 at MOST... this make sense to you?

[lakersmetsjets]

Originally Posted by bigsportsguy2006

lmj ... this is our point ... so the first play was snapped at 2:47 ... say that play only takes 4 seconds (very lowwwww estimate) ... then run 40 off for the playclock, the 2nd down play should be snapped at 2:03 ... say that play only takes 4 seconds (again, a very low estimate, and an incomplete pass) ... now the clock reads 1:59 and the 2-minute warning is used up .... now on 3rd down, you run a screen or something that is completed, and also has a chance to get the first down ... worst case, you waste 40 seconds on the play clock, plus the time it takes to run the play ... so at least 45 seconds. now favre is getting the ball with 1:15 minus the time of the punt (another 5 seconds minimum) ... so 1:10 at MOST... this make sense to you?

It has always made sense. I would rather throw the ball past the sticks and END the game than try to keep the clock running till 1:10 . The way Favre was slinging the rock in the 2nd half, I did not want to give him the ball back. You either throw the ball for the first down or you run the ball. Don't really get your whole screen pass experiment.

[MCP313]

Originally Posted by lakersmetsjets

It has always made sense. I would rather throw the ball past the sticks and END the game than try to keep the clock running till 1:10 . The way Favre was slinging the rock in the 2nd half, I did not want to give him the ball back. You either throw the ball for the first down or you run the ball. Don't really get your whole screen pass experiment.

The play call isnt the issue, its the timing of the snap. The 2nd down play couldve ran through the 2 minute warning whether it was a 70 yard bomb or a QB kneel down. Then on 3rd down, AFTER THE 2 MINUTE WARNING, they couldve ran another play and if it was a running play or a completed pass and ran off another 40 secs.

Snapping the ball on 2nd down with 5 secs left on the play clock and 208 left on the game clock is plain silly....not the call or the result of the call.....the clock management is in question.

[LordCC]

I can't stand Tirico and maybe I am in the minority in saying that. To me, he is dull, boring and as exciting as watching paint dry. I think he should stick to doing golf, as that matches his excitement level to me.

[MCP313]

Originally Posted by lakersmetsjets

It has always made sense. I would rather throw the ball past the sticks and END the game than try to keep the clock running till 1:10 . The way Favre was slinging the rock in the 2nd half, I did not want to give him the ball back. You either throw the ball for the first down or you run the ball. Don't really get your whole screen pass experiment.

3 options bro

1. Favre doesnt get ball back (best case)
2. Favre gets ball back with 115
3. Favre gets ball back with 200 (worst case as a direct result of poor clock management)

The human element is involved here as this concept seems to elude most average fans and most millionaire coaches for some silly reason.

[lakersmetsjets]

Originally Posted by MtrCtyPimp

The play call isnt the issue, its the timing of the snap. The 2nd down play couldve ran through the 2 minute warning whether it was a 70 yard bomb or a QB kneel down. Then on 3rd down, AFTER THE 2 MINUTE WARNING, they couldve ran another play and if it was a running play or a completed pass and ran off another 40 secs.

Snapping the ball on 2nd down with 5 secs left on the play clock and 208 left on the game clock is plain silly....not the call or the result of the call.....the clock management is in question.

So if the Rex says..we are throwing it on 3rd and going for the dagger, chances are the pass remains incomplete leaving 1:50-1:55 on the clock. So your argument is that not running the 3rd down play on the minus side of the 2 min warning cost them 10 secs.