Why are qb's given so much credit for Wins/Losses?

[rjb1816]

There are a number of other plays/players on the field that can have significant impacts on games. Take yesterday for example...both Rodgers and Ben played below average games, threw multiple ints and their teams still won. They should still be glorified as the main reason the teams advanced to the Super Bowl? Why do we not use W/L for rbs or wrs? I've always thought it was dumb to use when comparing players

[Sweetleaf22]

Because at the end of the day that is all that matters.

[mrwho]

are you kidding? if you watched the game, big ben made several plays to avoid sacks, get outta tackle for a crucial throw or just to avoid losing yards. sometimes it's not all about dominating a game but to do just enough to keep your team in it and making some plays when need be.

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by Sweetleaf22

Because at the end of the day that is all that matters.

Yes, all that matters for the TEAM. The qb is a player on the team, they have a bigger role than most players but to credit them with w/l as the sole reason a team wins/loses is dumb

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by MrWho

are you kidding? if you watched the game, big ben made several plays to avoid sacks, get outta tackle for a crucial throw or just to avoid losing yards. sometimes it's not all about dominating a game but to do just enough to keep your team in it and making some plays when need be.

so those plays are more important than causing a fumble and returning it for a td? that's my point...why is a qb credited with w/l? There were a number of plays that affected the game yesterday and many of them were not made by qbs

[JunkyardDog47]

I sincerely doubt that the QB's were the reason why Green Bay and Pitt won yesterday. As a matter of fact, those games were so bad, that it is hard to find any one player responsible for their teams wins. Talk about your comedy of errors.

[mrwho]

Originally Posted by JunkyardDog47

I sincerely doubt that the QB's were the reason why Green Bay and Pitt won yesterday. As a matter of fact, those games were so bad, that it is hard to find any one player responsible for their teams wins. Talk about your comedy of errors.

so you're telling me any qb couldve been in yesterday for pitts and gb and both teams wouldve still won?

[Sweetleaf22]

why are passing yards used comparing players. , Teams have different offensive styles and systems.

Dink and dunk qbs pass more often and the running backs and WRs do all the work helping the qbs stats with yards after the catch.

when your passing alot, not a good sign for most teams, means they are playing catch-up most times, most 300 yards passers lose the game.....

Some teams dont dink and dunk as much , dont throw as much, and use the vertical passing game more than the others and its more effective.................all in your style, but at the end of the day........

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by MrWho

so you're telling me any qb couldve been in yesterday for pitts and gb and both teams wouldve still won?

im not saying that...my point is that they shouldnt be given credit for w/l as some important number. If Mendenhall isnt in or goes down in the first quarter I have a hard time thinking Pitt still wins. So should he get credit for the win?

Also, what if Tom Brady has Mike Vanderjagt as his kicker instead of Adam Vinatieri? That's a legitimate question...Tom Brady put the team in position sure, but what if those kicks are missed? Those are things out of his control

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by Sweetleaf22

why are passing yards used comparing players. , Teams have different offensive styles and systems.

Dink and dunk qbs pass more often and the running backs and WRs do all the work helping the qbs stats with yards after the catch.

Some teams dont dink and dunk as much , dont throw as much, and use the vertical passing game more than the others and its more effective.................all in your style, but at the end of the day........

because those are stats directly attributable to ONE individual. That's different than something an entire team has control over

[mrwho]

Originally Posted by rjb1816

im not saying that...my point is that they shouldnt be given credit for w/l as some important number. If Mendenhall isnt in or goes down in the first quarter I have a hard time thinking Pitt still wins. So should he get credit for the win?
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honestly, if mendel went down, i can still see pitts pulling it out. if big ben went down can you at least agree there is prob no chance pitts win at all. even if you wanna keep up with your own view, you know i'm right.

[rjb1816]

Originally Posted by MrWho

honestly, if mendel went down, i can still see pitts pulling it out. if big ben went down can you at least agree there is prob no chance pitts win at all. even if you wanna keep up with your own view, you know i'm right.

do i think Charlie Batch could have won the game? Yes...look at Ben's numbers. They are awful. The defense won the game for them yesterday...and yes the Steelers went 4-0 in his absence...I dont think it's far fetched to think that

[Sweetleaf22]

Originally Posted by rjb1816

because those are stats directly attributable to ONE individual. That's different than something an entire team has control over

what are yards after the catch?

, dink and dunker,


Love to c Rivers behind a certain O-line, lol

[Romanowski]

you cant only look at stats, fact is ben was incredible when it counted most, getting those 2 1st downs in the 4th, among other plays that nobody else can make

so by looking at his numbers you cannot say batch would have won the game...thats ridiculous actually

but to the original point, you answered your own question...its a team sport, where a lot contribute but the QB is the most important of those moving parts...

so the QB should never get all the credit, but thats life

[mrwho]

Originally Posted by Romanowski

you cant only look at stats, fact is ben was incredible when it counted most, getting those 2 1st downs in the 4th, among other plays that nobody else can make

so by looking at his numbers you cannot say batch would have won the game...thats ridiculous actually

but to the original point, you answered your own question...its a team sport, where a lot contribute but the QB is the most important of those moving parts...

so the QB should never get all the credit, but thats life

ty..this is what i'm trying to say..