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Old 05-07-2018, 10:52 AM
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after barely getting past indiana the cavs are starting to put it all together against toronto. finally the pieces around lebron are stepping up and giving him the help that he has badly needed. but since this might be lebron's last hurrah with the cavs i think he is trying real hard to bring another championship to cleveland before he leaves again.
And all you still see is me, me, me. Look at me. Oh you can't see me, i'll stand on the scorers table every time I hit a shot so you can see me. I'll stand up there and flex and point to myself 50 times and in the presser after I will spend the whole time talking about how great I am.

Do you think he knows that he has teammates? Do you think he knows their last names and where they are from? Probably not.
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Old 05-07-2018, 10:54 AM
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And for the record, no GOAT loses more title games/series than they win. Period.
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Old 05-07-2018, 11:01 AM
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Do you think he knows that he has teammates?
They’ve been virtually nonexistent during the playoff run so probably not
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Old 05-07-2018, 11:11 AM
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They’ve been virtually nonexistent during the playoff run so probably not
Keep drinking the Lebron Kool Aid and proving my point. I am pretty sure Love had a great game with 21 & 16 the other night and Korver scored 18 on 6-8 shooting. Game before Love had 31 & 11 and 3 others scored in double digits. Game before that Love didn't play well but JR Smith was big with 20 and Korver added 19 and Green 16 off the bench.

I could go on but why bother, you think like Lebron does. Fact is, he has help like every other player and team that wins but all he talks about is himself. It is why Kyrie couldn't stand his arrogance and Thomas couldn't either. He gets head coaches fired and he plays for an owner that couldn't stand him either.

And he is averaging 28 shots per game in this series. A lot of NBA players would drop 30+ on a regular basis if they did that.
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Old 05-07-2018, 11:17 AM
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In the Finals

Lebron
Games (18-27)
Titles (3-5)

Jordan
Games (24-11)
Titles (6-0)

6 more Wins in 10 less games in the Finals. Never once even taken to a game 7 in the Finals. Pure dominance!

Until those change, the GOAT will not. It is MJ.

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Old 05-07-2018, 11:43 AM
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Jordan
Games (24-11)
Titles (6-0)

Robert Horry
Games (28-9)
Titles (7-0)


Using only one metric to arrive at your answer is fun! Bill Russell? Sorry sir but by your own standards MJ isn’t the goat
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Old 05-07-2018, 11:51 AM
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Jordan
Games (24-11)
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Robert Horry
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Titles (7-0)


Using only one metric to arrive at your answer is fun! Bill Russell? Sorry sir but by your own standards MJ isn’t the goat
Nobody ever said Russell was the GOAT. Sorta like nobody has ever called Charles Haley the GOAT of the NFL with his 7 SB's either. My point was pretty easily understood for most I think. The comparison has been mentioned with the above 2 (Jordan/James). When you compare them, it isn't close.
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Old 05-07-2018, 11:53 AM
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And Horry wasn't the MVP on any of those teams like Jordan and James have been. That comparison is laughable.
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Old 05-07-2018, 11:58 AM
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Lebron is a drama queen. There is zero arguing that. The guy has talent on his team, shit, he hand picked every player on this team. He has had talent with him every season except for his first NBA final and the playoff run when Kyrie was hurt. The rest of the years he has had talent. Love was a perennial all star before coming to Cleveland. You Lebron lovers constantly make excuse for the guy and claim he never has talent around him which is so false.

With that said Lebron has been great this post season. He has played better than any time in his career IMO. He has taken it to the basket constantly, he has taken the key shots (which he hasn't done in the past), and overall he has played incredible basketball.
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Old 05-07-2018, 12:31 PM
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Nobody ever said Russell was the GOAT. Sorta like nobody has ever called Charles Haley the GOAT of the NFL with his 7 SB's either. My point was pretty easily understood for most I think. The comparison has been mentioned with the above 2 (Jordan/James). When you compare them, it isn't close.
I understood clearly. My point was helping you see the flawed logic behind your reasoning in your OP as you can insert Horry, Russell, and a few others that have better #Â’s than MJ. When comparing the talents of two individuals I could careless about team accomplishments. ItÂ’s just funny to hear you old timers sound as tho MJ would beat LBJ 21-0 errr some shit in a pickup game lol. The debate really has always been nothing more than TV talk as we will never really know, but if youÂ’re trying to tell me Lebron isnÂ’t as good as MJ well then that just shows your lack of basketball IQ.

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Old 05-07-2018, 12:50 PM
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There is no flaw in logic when debating the GOAT and taking postseason success in to consideration. It is what 99.9% of the world does. I guess you are in the .01%
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Old 05-07-2018, 12:51 PM
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And we won't talk about your IQ because it has nothing to do with this, although it does seem pretty flawed as well.
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Old 05-07-2018, 12:54 PM
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Old Timers ... lololol

It's called you college kids are fuckin clueless to anything that happened before you started watching sports. I will take the opinion of someone who watched the game for 40 years over someone who has watched it for a 1/3 of that every day of the week.
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Old 05-07-2018, 01:04 PM
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Were you even alive when MJ won his titles FTP? Probably not. lol

Your IQ on the situation is based on highlights and what you have read right? lol

I have no dog in the fight. My opinion is unbiased based on teams and players (unlike you), but (unlike you) I watched both careers from start to current day and I would take MJ 8 days a week if I wanted to win a game.
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Old 05-07-2018, 01:06 PM
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1st 45 min of game LBJ=MJ
Final 3 min LBJ<<<<<<<<MJ

That is the bottom line
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Old 05-07-2018, 01:24 PM
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If you were picking a team from scratch, and you could have MJ in his prime or LBJ in his prime, who would you pick? I really don’t think there is any question. Hell, I would take MJ, Bird, Magic, or Kobe in their prime over LBJ.
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Old 05-07-2018, 05:41 PM
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If you were picking a team from scratch, and you could have MJ in his prime or LBJ in his prime, who would you pick? I really don’t think there is any question. Hell, I would take MJ, Bird, Magic, or Kobe in their prime over LBJ.
I’ll take the 6’9 265 pound freak of nature who never gets injured and is still on par with his career averages now 15 years in. Has a strong chance to go down as the leading scorer in NBA history and is the only non-PG in top 10 all time in assists. Can play/guard nearly every position and the only player in NBA history to put up 30k points, 8k assists, 8k rebounds. Yeah, I’ll go with that guy
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Old 05-07-2018, 05:48 PM
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Imagine how many titles Jordan would have won if he could have skipped CBB and went to the NBA? Hell, he was so bored with basketball that he went and played baseball for 2 years, came back and schooled the league again for another 3 peat. lol

That is how easy it was for MJ and losing Titles wasn't an option. He won in College and he was flawless in the NBA Finals. GOAT!
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Old 05-07-2018, 06:00 PM
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Imagine how many titles Jordan would have won if he could have skipped CBB and went to the NBA?
Still no Pippen/Grant then so probably just a few extra losing seasons to add to his resume

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Old 05-07-2018, 06:03 PM
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Still no Pippen/Grant so probably just a few extra losing seasons to add to his resume
We saw how great Pippen was when MJ played baseball for 2 years. He was famous for sitting on the bench and refusing to go in a game because he was pouting. The Bulls won nothing those 2 years and MJ came back, BOOM, 3 Peat. Case closed on that one, but again you probably were not born yet and didn't see any of that shit go down.
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Old 05-07-2018, 06:13 PM
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We saw how great Pippen was when MJ played baseball for 2 years. He was famous for sitting on the bench and refusing to go in a game because he was pouting. The Bulls won nothing those 2 years and MJ came back, BOOM, 3 Peat. Case closed on that one, but again you probably were not born yet and didn't see any of that shit go down.
Uhhh yeah going 55-27 and losing in the Eastern Semis without the “GOAT”?? LMFAO, you’re clueless sir
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Old 05-07-2018, 06:15 PM
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What happened to that bum ass Cleveland squad after he left? What happened to the Heat after he returned to Cleveland? That’s greatness sir, just shut up and continue to witness it. His cement isn’t dry yet

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Old 05-07-2018, 07:21 PM
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Lebron the biggest crybaby bitch in NBA history. He runs to Miami because he couldn't win in Cleveland and begs Bosh to go with him. The Cavs get Kyrie and Bosh is toast so he runs back to Cleveland and begs them to get Love and every other player so they can help him win. He is the biggest little bitch in NBA history, and you too can shut the fuck up. Come see me when he wins more titles than he has lost.
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Old 05-07-2018, 08:33 PM
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There were many times Lebron just disappeared ... Jordan never did. Jordan had that killer instinct even Kobe had for a few seasons and Kobe was never MJ class and Lebron is behind Kobe.
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Old 05-07-2018, 09:24 PM
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Sorry sparky but any credibility you had went out the window after post 45. You are watching a league full of egomaniacs, you control who’s ego you “like”.

The dudes been averaging 27-7-7 since he was a fucking 19 year old and in just his fourth year at the age of 22 lead what is and what always probably will be the worst team ever to make an NBA Finals appearance. Yet you will only look at that and knock him because he got swept against arguably one of the greatest Spurs teams of all time lol. I know it might be hard to comprehend for someone with such a low basketball IQ such as yourself but that’s unheard of. Just to help put it into perspective, MJ was getting ousted in the 1st round at that age lol (Lebrons never lost in 1st round ). Go google the Cleveland teams he played with his first 7 years and you’ll see why he bailed. MJ never won shit without 2 HOFers + Phil Jackson. He was never put in a position to win and if anything I’d argue he only helped the Cavs by leaving since they went from first to last and then able to draft players such as Irving. Put down the hatorade and just enjoy watching the GOAT
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