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You keep forgetting to add that Lebitch has LOST more Titles than he has won. Coincidence? I think not ....

What other Legends can say that? Very few, but the little bitch holds the honor.
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He should change his name to LeChoke if they get to the Finals again. I hope they do so I can watch the little bitch lose AGAIN!
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He’s not clutch tho lulz. More game winners than MJ & Kobe
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Whoa YouTube videos. lol

Typical of kids these days. When they run out of answers they run to youtube for help. lol

Generation E (Entitled). You kids wouldn't know what to do if you grew up without things like YouTube and the internet.
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Your children’s children will all be wearing Lebrons
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He’s not clutch tho lulz. More game winners than MJ & Kobe
Yeah, Kobe and MJ never needed a last minute shot. They salted games away early.
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Raptors lay another egg in the playoffs.
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17 Reasons Why Michael Jordan is Greater than LeBron James

1) Jordan was a better scorer than LeBron James

Scoring Titles – Jordan – 10, LeBron -1

When it comes to the playoffs, it’s a mismatch. Jordan has averaged over 40 points per game in an NBA record five playoff series (and nearly pulled it off against Cleveland in 1989). LeBron has zero. In fact, LeBron has four series where he shot less than 40% for the series (Jordan has 1).

Jordan also accomplished this before rule changes came along to make scoring much easier, yet still fared well at age 38 in that era as mentioned below.

2) Jordan played in a far superior era

The 1980’s and 1990’s were a much tougher era. Defense was better and teams were better. The 1990’s had the most teams that won 50 or 60 games in NBA history for a decade.

Despite that, Jordan’s Bulls defeated seven 60+ win teams (a record for a dynasty team in a decade) and 20 teams that had between 50-59 wins.

27 of the 37 playoff opponents Jordan faced had over 50 wins, while 18 of LeBron’s opponents (out of 37) had under 50 wins. Imagine what Jordan’s numbers would be if he faced LeBron’s competition. Jordan was guarded by Defensive Player of Year players in the playoffs several times – Sidney Moncrief, Alvin Robertson, Dennis Rodman and Gary Payton. (Rodman four times)

And don’t go for this ridiculous “Jordan never played against a zone” argument. First of all, Jordan was an MVP candidate at age 38 before his knee injury and it was against the legalized zone when he averaged 25.1 pts, 6.2 rebounds and 5.3 assists. Only Tracy McGrady averaged 25-6-5 that year in 2002.

“Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harassment of zone traps and double and triple-teaming”
– New York Times, 1987

“They`ve used zone traps; they`ve put two, three and sometimes four defenders on him”
– Chicago Tribune, 1987

“My concerns are that more teams are going to the trap, ‘which ultimately ends in a zone defense… I noticed that Chicago has adopted a half-court that L.A. has been using so successfully and it ended up in a zone defense”

‘When you play New York, you have to prepare yourself because they have so many different traps.”
– Chuck Daly, 1988

The assumption that zone defenses are not played in the NBA is false. The rules allow for full-court zone pressure, and because defenses are permitted to aggressively double-team the ball anywhere on the floor, teams play de facto zones in the frontcourt,too. To one degree or another, every NBA team uses some type of zone.
– Sports Illustrated, 1990

Utah plays the best zone in basketball. They play a 2-1-2 with five guys with a foot in the paint 90 percent of the time.”
– George Karl, 1996

“Zone was always in there. It just weren’t called. It was always in there”
– Wilt Chamberlain

3) Michael Jordan is a far superior defender than LeBron James

All-Defense First Team – Jordan nine times, James 5 times

Steals Titles – Jordan three time winner, James zero times


Jordan won the 1988 Defensive Player of the Year during a time where it was much more difficult to win that award due to the amount of great defenders.

Jordan played great defense in all six of his NBA Finals appearances.

LeBron James allows his opponents to increase their scoring averages in the Finals (see Tony Parker in 2007, Jason Terry in 2011, Kevin Durant in 2012, and Andre Iguodoloa in 2015)

This really isn’t close. Jordan locks down his opponents, while James struggles.


4) Michael Jordan takes over games and is able to lift his team when needed

1993 East Finals and The 1993 Finals were great examples of this. In the East Finals against New York, the Knicks had the Bulls reeling until Jordan was able to score 54 against them in Game 4, then a total team effort ended New York’s 27 game home winning streak.

In the 1993 Finals, Game 6 looked like a lost cause as the entire Bulls team, minus Jordan went cold. Jordan scored all nine points in the 4th to keep the Bulls in it and then was able to get his open teammates involved to win the game on John Paxson’s three. Watch the footage on the bench. It was Jordan keeping everyone together, telling everyone not to panic.

LeBron James has great difficulty showing up in the 4th quarter of tight games, especially in the Finals. When his teams hit adversity, he disappears many times, something we never saw from Jordan. Leaders don’t disappear when they’re needed the most. (more on this below)

5) LeBron James is a turnover machine while Jordan took care of the ball

LeBron James turns the ball over way too many times at critical junctures in games. He has two playoff games with 10 turnovers and has 177 turnovers in the Finals compared to 99 for Michael Jordan.

LeBron James led both teams in turnovers in 2017 (22), 2016 (31), 2014 (19), and 2011 (24). He was his team’s turnover leader every time except in 2012.

6) You can count on Michael Jordan to close games

Here’s a list of game-winners from Michael Jordan.

He repeatedly came up huge to close out a game, even in the playoffs and Finals.

The best ones were “The Shot” and “The Shot II” both against Cleveland to knock them out of the postseason, the game-winner over Dennis Rodman in Game 3 of the 1989 East Finals, the tying shot to force overtime over Vlade Divac in Game 3 of the 1991 Finals, his heroics in the 1997 Finals and the series winner in Game 6 of the 1998 Finals.

LeBron has his moments, but he just doesn’t have the mojo in most big games. He is 0-5 in the Finals to tie or win the game and according to ESPN, he is 5 for 47 to tie or win the game in the final five seconds of the game.

Playoff game-winners/tie-ers with 24 seconds or less
– Jordan 9/18 (50%)
– LeBron 10/25 (40%)

Playoff game-winners/tie-ers with 25 seconds or less
– Jordan 10/19 (53%)
– LeBron 10/25 (40%)

Finals game-winners/tie-ers with 25 seconds or less
– Jordan 4/8 (50%)
– LeBron 0/5 (0%)


7) LeBron would have had a much harder time playing in Jordan’s era

He is physically gifted but plays lousy competition in the East and essentially receives a free pass to the Finals each year as his hand-picked teams are loaded with talent.

In the 80’s or 90’s, teams like the Knicks and Pistons would have beaten him down and he does not handle physical play very well.

8) Michael Jordan is the better shooter

Jordan had a better and more reliable jumpshot, especially later in his career which he used to create open looks when defenses converged on him. LeBron can shoot but he definitely struggles when he has to make jumpers.

Compare them in the Finals:

Jordan shot over 50% in three NBA Finals (1991,1992,1993) while LeBron did it twice (2014 and 2017). That’s pretty close. How bout shooting under 40%?

Jordan never shot below 40% while LeBron did it twice (2007 and 2015).


What about the 3 point shooting in the Finals? Jordan shot over 40% twice with the original 3 point line while James did it once. What about shooting under 30% for the Finals? Jordan never did while James did it twice (2007 and 2012).

LeBron James is a great regular season player and has Jordan in a few areas, but in the playoffs and in the Finals where it really matters? Jordan beats him.

9) Michael Jordan never got outscored by a player on the bench in the Finals

Jordan showed up for all six of his Finals appearances. LeBron got outscored by Jason Terry (who played way less minutes per game).

Don’t forget about the way Kawhi Leonard outplayed LeBron in 3 straight games in 2014 Finals. Check out the numbers in Games 3, 4, and 5. You’d never see that from Jordan.

10) LeBron James has never had to defeat three teams with 50 wins or two teams with 60 wins in any playoff run

Jordan’s teams accomplished this in 5 of his 6 playoff runs.

11) Michael Jordan shows up in the 4th quarter while LeBron James disappears.

Jordan kept his teams in the game, especially when it got tough and scored most of his points in the 2nd half and 4th quarter.

LeBron goes 2-12 in the 4th of the 2011 Finals for 6 points.

In 2014 he was completely outplayed when it really mattered, but to his credit, he did score alot of points after his team was getting blown out by more than 15.

(In Games 3,4,and 5, he scored 51 of his 81 points when down 15 or more)

Even in this year’s Finals, James didn’t score hardly at all in the 4th quarter and was “gassed” despite extra rest in the regular season and 3 days rest between Finals games.

12) Jordan passes the eye test in a big game.

If you need to score and momentum isn’t going your way, you don’t want LeBron James who will defer and hope for a teammate to make a shot. You want Jordan who will find a way to score even against a Defensive Player of the Year when it has to go in.

13) If Jordan is healthy, his teams go to the playoffs every year.

Even though his teams were awful from 1985-1987, the Bulls made it to the playoffs, despite Jordan missing almost the entire 1986 season. LeBron James missed the playoffs his first two seasons in 2004 and 2005.

This is only a big deal because people make a big deal out of the Bulls, with a terrible team, lost to the greatest team ever, the 1986 Celtics, who Jordan hung 47 points per game on including a memorable 63 point performance. The 1985 Bucks and 1987 Celtics were also teams that had a great chance to win it all.

14) Michael Jordan never claimed to be the best player in the world before an elimination game and then shot terrible to lose the game.

LeBron James told everyone he’s the best player in the world and then shot 13-32 in Game 6 against the Warriors.

Michael Jordan never came out and put himself over the best of the best. And if he had, he would show up and play great.


15) Imagine what Jordan could have done if he had played in the recruiting era.

He could play with any other superstar and be even more unguardable. Imagine Jordan recruiting Hakeem Olajuwon and a guy like Kevin Johnson to play with him and Pippen. They probably would win not one, not two, not three, etc.

16) LeBron James is a Flopper

Flopping is why many fans who grew up watching the NBA in the 1970’s, 1980’s and 1990’s have limited respect for today’s game and LeBron James is one of the best actors ever, which annoys most of the country.

17) Jordan has SIX titles and SIX Finals MVPs

This is not small potatoes. This is winning at the highest level. LeBron James has won 3 titles in 8 tries. There are differences in the game and differences in opponents. But what Michael accomplished with the Bulls should not be overlooked and swept under the rug.

(and don’t forget regular season MVP’s – Jordan 5, James 3)

All of Jordan’s records, accomplishments were also done in 13 seasons and less games than LeBron James.

LeBron James is a Hall of Fame player and is great. He’s just not Michael Jordan great in the clutch and in the Finals.
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^^^^^

That says it all

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You keep forgetting to add that Lebitch has LOST more Titles than he has won. Coincidence? I think not ....

What other Legends can say that? Very few, but the little bitch holds the honor.
Other than the Mavs series in 2011 which I will admit he majorly choked in, he’s played and completely dominated EVERY playoff series.. Judging solely on titles is novice level bruh

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Old 05-07-2018, 09:58 PM
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Post 61 kid. Don't let the facts get in the way of your low IQ argument.
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Old Timers ... lololol

It's called you college kids are fuckin clueless to anything that happened before you started watching sports. I will take the opinion of someone who watched the game for 40 years over someone who has watched it for a 1/3 of that every day of the week.

FTP was born in 1990 (according to past posts) ... He wasn't even on the planet when MJ dominated in the 80's and was too young during the 90's to understand / watch what Jordan was even doing then. Like you said, what happened before birth doesn't count.

Of course he is going to fight tooth and nail blowing Lebron because that is who he watched since Jr High.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but IMO there is no comparison ... Jordan is the GOAT ... and Kobe ahead of Lebron
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Wow, just done reading through this thread and see how much people love to hate LeBron!! Let’s face it, LeBron is a beast on a level never seen before. Don’t hate, enjoy and witness greatness while he’s still playing.
And “PLEASE” don’t compare old school basketball versus today’s basketball. Today’s players are far more skilled, they’re stronger and faster than. And if you don’t agree with this fact, you’re just an ignorant old fart trying to defend your era. Today’s top 5 players will blow out any era’s top 5 players you can pick. Everything from shooting, handling, quickness, ability to create offense., you name it. I’ve grew up watching Jordan played and loved it, yes he was for sure a GOAT., but he by far is nowhere near the best basketball player that played the game. If I had to choose to build a team with one of them, it would be 100% LeBron any day if the week!
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His legacy will be forever remembered!!! Watch and witness LeBron singlehandedly win this years championship. Dont laugh now, Y’all will see.
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wow, just done reading through this thread and see how much people love to hate lebron!! Let’s face it, lebron is a beast on a level never seen before. Don’t hate, enjoy and witness greatness while he’s still playing.
And “please” don’t compare old school basketball versus today’s basketball. Today’s players are far more skilled, they’re stronger and faster than. And if you don’t agree with this fact, you’re just an ignorant old fart trying to defend your era. today’s top 5 players will blow out any era’s top 5 players you can pick. Everything from shooting, handling, quickness, ability to create offense., you name it. I’ve grew up watching jordan played and loved it, yes he was for sure a goat., but he by far is nowhere near the best basketball player that played the game. If i had to choose to build a team with one of them, it would be 100% lebron any day if the week!
Just my 2 cents....

I'll take my chances all day / everyday with the 1960's combo of Wilt Chamberlain / Bill Russell / Oscar Robertson / Jerry West and Elgin Baylor over todays best.


And I'm far from an ignorant old fart.
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FTP was born in 1990 (according to past posts) ... He wasn't even on the planet when MJ dominated in the 80's and was too young during the 90's to understand / watch what Jordan was even doing then. Like you said, what happened before birth doesn't count.

Of course he is going to fight tooth and nail blowing Lebron because that is who he watched since Jr High.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but IMO there is no comparison ... Jordan is the GOAT ... and Kobe ahead of Lebron
Lebron lovers get a stiff dick every time he drops 35-40 in playoff games and say look at his greatness, but he has never averaged 40+ for any playoff series. MJ averaged 40+ in not 1 or 2 but 5 playoff series. If they could have seen how spectacular he was maybe they would understand why he is clearly the GOAT.

You do not need to be an old timer to have watched MJ play either. We had color TV's, microwaves and cell phones when he played. Old timers can tell you they watched Russell and Oscar Robertson play and I do not qualify. lol

Post 61 ends the debate. Opinions are cute but facts are for real and Lebron is MJ's bitch in anything and everything that matters and it really isn't close. You can scream all you want that Lebron is better but that is based on nothing more than little knowledge and ignorance if you do.
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LeBron James is one of three players in NBA history to record a triple-double in their playoff debut.
LeBron James – 32P/11R/11A in 2006
Magic Johnson – 13P/11R/11A in 1980
Johnny McCarthy – 13P/11R/11A in 1960

LeBron owns the highest scoring average in game 7s with 33.2 points per game, …and the highest scoring average in elimination games with 32.8 points per game

James is also the only player in NBA history to be in the top 10 all-time in career playoff points, rebounds, assists, and steals;

Over his postseason career, he’s been the outright leader in points, rebounds and assists on 39 different occasions, 26 more than the next-highest player on the list, Larry Bird (13)

LeBron averaged 33.6 points, 12.0 rebounds and 10.0 assists over the Warriors, becoming the first player to record a triple-double average in the NBA Finals

He has more 40+ point games (6) in the Finals than the entire NBA (active players), who combines for a total of just five 40+ point games;

Only player in NBA history to lead both teams in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals in a playoff series (2016 NBA Finals vs. Golden State Warriors)

James is the only player in NBA history to score at least 40 points in consecutive elimination games in a single NBA Finals series

LeBron James scored more points than anyone by age-33, even if you include college totals:
LeBron James – 29,759
Wilt Chamberlain – 28,533
Kobe Bryant – 27,868
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar – 26,498
Michael Jordan – 25332

Only five players in NBA history lead a team in all five major statistics in the same season (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks), yes LeBron is one of them:
Dave Cowens (1977-78)
Scottie Pippen (1994-95)
Kevin Garnett (2002-03)
LeBron James (2008-09)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (2016-17);

LeBron James is the only player in NBA history to average at least 25 points per game for 14 consecutive seasons (and still counting)
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10 to 1 scoring titles ... lol - really?

6 to 3 Championships

Jordan lost ZERO times in the Finals and never needed a game 7, Lebron lost 5 times

5 MVP's to 3

6 Finals MVP's to 3

All-Defense First Team – Jordan 9 times, James 5 times

Steals Titles – Jordan 3 time winner, James ZERO times

Lebron a turnover machine (read above)

MJ averaged 40+ in 5 playoff series, Lebron ZERO

MJ played much better teams (read above)

MJ played much better defenders (read above)

MJ clearly more clutch in the playoffs (read above)

Of course Lebron has more points in the Finals, he has been there 8 times. Unfortunately he lost 5 of them. If MJ didn't choose to play baseball, he would own those records too. He also didn't go to College so more NBA seasons leads to more stats than others as well. Pretty easy to understand really

MJ played only 13 seasons and he still beats Lebron in everything that matter, with many fewer chances.

You can have your triple doubles. They are cute but they do not compare with any of the above.

Nice try kid but unless you can change the dominance of post 61, all you have is your uneducated opinion.
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Career PPG

Jordan
Regular season 30.1
Playoffs 33.4

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Playoffs 28.4

YAWN
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YouTube videos are cute and I could post thousands involving MJ too

YouTube Michael Jordan About 11,700,000 results

YouTube Lebron James About 5,370,000 results

But I do not need to because I was able to watch him play and I have every stat that matters in my pocket too.
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Jordan
Regular season 30.1
Playoffs 33.4

Lebron
Regular Season 27.2
Playoffs 28.4

YAWN
Wow he averaged a whole 3-5 more PPG, incomparable for sure!! Let’s just ignore the fact that he averaged 5 more FGA per game and Lebron is actually the more efficient scorer between the two lol. Sorry sir but from a statistical standpoint he will blow MJ away in nearly every category except PPG, so cling to that ring/PPG argument to justify your opinion because that’s all you will have when it’s all said and done.

And I like how MJ homers completely ignore 1984-1990 when he was getting his ass whooped up on to the Pistons and Celtics. Lebron showed he could carry extremely weak teams at the age of 22 while MJ couldn’t accomplish shit until he got Pippen/Jackson and the Bad boys, Celtics, Lakeshow all died out with age. That should speak volumes to you. Post 61 is pure conjecture, and it’s laughable to say MJ played against tougher teams. He’s never faced a team remotely close to what Lebrons faced in the finals during his career and that’s not even debatable. His first ring he went up against what was Mr. HIV’s last full season and an injured Worthy/Scott. Next ring, he goes up against a Blazers team who had no HOFer except Drexler. Next ring came against Suns who had Charles Barkley and who? Kevin Johnson & Majerle? Lmao. He then faced an overrated Sonics squad with one HOFer in Payton who beat a bunch of nobody’s in the West at the time and appeared in their only NBA finals appearance before facing off against an old ass Stockton and Malone. The common theme here sparky is every squad MJ faced in the finals had one or at most two HOFers. Lebron would own and dominate each of those series. Every ring Lebrons earned has came against at least 3+ HOFers. Thunder (Durant, Westbrook, Harden), Spurs Dynasty (Parker, Duncan, Giniboli), and the greatest team ever assembled in basketball - Warriors with arguably 4 future HOFers. Not even fucking close so get out of here with all that bs.

Your lack of knowledge has already been exposed and while you knock me for my age, you clearly don’t know shit after being unaware that the Bulls/Pippen held their own and performed fine without MJ lol. The longevity of Lebron is unmatched, he’s averaged a damn near triple double since he was 19 fucking years old and has been the greatest player in the league for a decade + now while showing no signs of slowing down. To say he doesn’t have a case for being the GOAT is foolish, he’s not the best scorer but imo he is the best overall all around player to ever play the game. Take off your nostalgia goggles sir
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