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Old 10-30-2018, 09:04 PM
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Is the guy with the glasses the same guy where there was a conspiracy theory he was involved in murdering one of his interns?
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:40 AM
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Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965

Imagine if back in 1938 to 1945 Venezuela had good oil drillers and good government. They would have sold oil to the USA WWII war effort. We would have left them alone as long as they were not Communist.

The Venezuelans would have been swimming in money. Then the government might have changed and started getting more warlike. We were indebted up to our ears in War Bonds and a 70% income tax to pay the debt off. Selling useless tanks would have been welcomed money vs scrapping them.

With all the cash by the 1950s, they could have bought our surplus of out-of-date M4 Sherman tanks. Shermans vs German Tigers might be less than worthless in Europe but good enough for Central America. With tanks and other weapons of war, a Venezuelan Army could have swept through Central America until getting to Mexico with its crude oil.

Mexico would have needed to build up an Army for self-defense. Mexico would have needed their citizens who were in another country to be repatriated. The USA would not like a powerful new Army in Mexico so we would have helped in the repatriation of their citizens. What are now American citizens by birth by Foreign Nationals would have been subject to repatriation to be conscripted into the Mexican Army.

These are our now 700,000 anchor babies per year.

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All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965


Passed the Senate on September 22, 1965 (76–18) with amendment
House agreed to Senate amendment on September 30, 1965 (320–70)
Signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on October 3, 1965
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (H.R. 2580; Pub.L. 89–236, 79 Stat. 911, enacted June 30, 1968), also known as the Hart–Celler Act,[1] changed the way quotas were allocated by ending the National Origins Formula that had been in place in the United States since the Emergency Quota Act of 1921. Representative Emanuel Celler of New York proposed the bill, Senator Philip Hart of Michigan co-sponsored it, and Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts helped to promote it.

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Old 10-31-2018, 08:16 AM
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I have no idea who chibob is watching to see the caravan, but if he is touting that it is women and children, he is way off the grid. less than 20% of that group coming our way is women and kids, more than 80% is men. Watch the podcasts of the caravan, not the news feeds, because they are picking out the women and kids to show, not the men.
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Old 10-31-2018, 08:22 AM
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Being fearful of a caravan of men women or children is a joke.
I had no idea republicans were such chicken squats.
You should be fearful of the 1.5 trillion added to the debt.
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:20 AM
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You should be fearful of the 1.5 trillion added to the debt.
Yup and billions a year added by funding illegal immigrants. This is one of the main reasons why Trump got elected. People are sick of seeing $116 billion a year go out the window to fund illegal immigrants. We have veterans and homeless U.S. citizens that struggle on a daily basis but we spend $116 billion on this bullshit? Sorry, but I would rather take care of ourselves before others

Total Governmental Expenditures on Illegal Aliens



Total Tax Contributions by Illegal Aliens


Total Economic Impact of Illegal Immigration
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:41 AM
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Center for Immigration Studies

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•The 297,000 births per year to illegal immigrants is larger than the total number of births in any state other than California and Texas. It is also larger than the total number of births in 16 states plus the District of Columbia, combined.

•The estimated 28,000 births to illegal immigrants in just the Los Angeles metro area is larger than the total number of births in 14 states and the District of Columbia.

•Among new mothers who are in the United States illegally (67 percent) are either uninsured or on Medicaid. Almost all of these births are likely paid for by taxpayers.

• Illegal immigrants account for 11 percent (198,000) of all publicly funded births.

•We estimate that the cost to taxpayers for births to Illegal immigrants is $2.4 billion per year.
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:43 AM
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Thank god we have a President who wants to take a look at this, and god forbid we have a debate on it.
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:44 AM
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Well.. I guess you can look at it that way.
11 billion is a fraction of 1.5 Trillion, It's hard to get you head around a trillion, a trillion is one thousand times one billion.

I see it as a potential lowing of the standard of living because more tax revenue will have to be paid out as interest on the national debt i.e. cuts in government programs and higher taxes to cover the debt

The rate offered on treasury securities increases. This in turn will require corporations to raise the price of their products and services to meet the increased cost of their debt service obligation. Over time, this will cause people to pay more for goods and services, resulting in inflation.

The yield offered on treasury securities increases, the cost of borrowing money to purchase a home will increase because the cost of money in the mortgage lending market is directly tied to the short-term interest rates set by the Federal Reserve and the yield offered on treasury securities.
This is happening now! A increase in interest rates will push home prices down, because prospective home buyers will no longer qualify for as large of a mortgage loan since they will have to pay more of their money to cover the interest expense on the loan they receive. The result will be more downward pressure on the value of homes, which in turn will reduce the net worth of all homeowners.

U.S. Treasury securities is currently considered a risk-free rate of return, and as the yield on these securities increases, risky investments such as corporate debt and equity investments will lose appeal. This phenomenon is a direct result of the fact it will be more difficult for corporations to generate enough pre-tax income to offer a high enough risk premium on their bonds and stock dividends to justify investing in their company. This dilemma is known as the crowding out effect, and tends to encourage the growth in the size of the government and the simultaneous reduction in the size of the private sector.

This is going to be a huge problem for your kids and the way things are going it will be a huge problem for your kids children.
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:46 AM
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But i guess it's easier to blame it on immigrants ..Lol
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:51 AM
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It's not about blame. It is about an obvious issue and addressing it before it gets worse than it already is. And it is pretty bad right now. If you talk about the deficit, this certainly doesn't help. Why are people so afraid to talk about it?
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Old 10-31-2018, 09:56 AM
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It is bad.. I'm not sure why honest and real conversations are not happening the narrative of both CNN and FOX is way off it could be what they call the 6 day news cycle.

Sad times for this country IMO

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Old 10-31-2018, 09:59 AM
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Well.. I guess you can look at it that way.
11 billion is a fraction of 1.5 Trillion, It's hard to get you head around a trillion, a trillion is one thousand times one billion.
If you see what I wrote it is $116 billion per year, not 11. It got cut off but you can clearly see it in the numbers. I guess it is more than a fraction now and in only 10 years it is well over your 1 trillion mentioned. Yes, it is a big problem that the left simply wants to ignore
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:03 AM
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Only 1 in 4 Countries still has birthright citizenship. The United Kingdom no longer has it after changing their law in 1991
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:07 AM
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If you see what I wrote it is $116 billion per year, not 11. It got cut off but you can clearly see it in the numbers. I guess it is more than a fraction now and in only 10 years it is well over your 1 trillion mentioned. Yes, it is a big problem that the left simply wants to ignore
Right or left i'm not sure it matters but i will say if you're in the middle (as i am) your disgusted with both sides
What about that big beautiful wall Trump promised Why isn't the right holding him to the fire on that promise?
You do realize how huge that tax cut was for Trump and his family? It's basically a license to print money for now and beyond,the middle class took the gas pipe on that bill and will for years to come.
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:10 AM
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I have no idea who chibob is watching to see the caravan, but if he is touting that it is women and children, he is way off the grid. less than 20% of that group coming our way is women and kids, more than 80% is men. Watch the podcasts of the caravan, not the news feeds, because they are picking out the women and kids to show, not the men.

You have first hand knowledge?
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:14 AM
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The wall is being built bozzie. Not as quickly as he would like but that goes back to funding.

I could care less about the tax cut to Trump. It was a nice boost to many others, including myself. Many workers have had the benefit as well and it is also being passed down by many big business people. Just look at those like Amazon and Walmart raising their min wage by a lot. It has trickled down everywhere from the top so that is a win, win in my book.
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:16 AM
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Right or left i'm not sure it matters but i will say if you're in the middle (as i am)
Let's be honest bozzie, you are far from the "Middle" as every one of your posts point left. lol
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:20 AM
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Let's be honest bozzie, you are far from the "Middle" as every one of your posts point left. lol
Fake news..Lol
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:23 AM
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I can agree to disagree Wayne.
Thank you for keeping this civil.


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Old 10-31-2018, 10:25 AM
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Someone should start a poll in the Politics forum, where you can't see who voted for what, asking if you're personally doing better since Trump became president. Yes; No; No change.

I'd be interested to see, as it's almost been 2 years.
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:26 AM
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I can agree to disagree Wayne.
Thank you for keeping this civil.


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Old 10-31-2018, 10:27 AM
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Someone should start a poll in the Politics forum, where you can't see who voted for what, asking if you're personally doing better since Trump became president. Yes; No; No change.

I'd be interested to see, as it's almost been 2 years.

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I'm getting lied more.
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Old 10-31-2018, 10:29 AM
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Well, it'd be anonymous, so I don't see why the majority would lie. I'd consider most people here to be quite honest and straight shooters.
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Well, it'd be anonymous, so I don't see why the majority would lie. I'd consider most people here to be quite honest and straight shooters.
He might be referencing Chump, as his number of lies goes higher each month, especially with Mid Terms upon us.. Feeding red meat to base, like the over 450,000 jobs tied in with the arms deal with SA. No wait, 500,000, no wait, over one million

Not even his deal, as we know he doesn't understand the "Art Of the Deal"
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Old 10-31-2018, 01:59 PM
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I wasn’t talking about a Trump approval rating; I can get that from Rasmussen. I’m talking about CM-specific. Since he’s been president, has your quality of life (financial, getting a job, childrens lives, etc) been better, worse, or no change? And, I wanted to keep the poll anonymous in case those that don’t want to openly/publicly support/not support him, can still have a say in the poll. I think it’d be interesting to see anonymous results of our online community.
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