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Demos wanted wall once ..
USA is turning into a total two party war.
Once side is totally this , one side totally that
So childishly dumb .

Have some balls democrats . Keep illegals out ..!
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If we build a wall on the Mexican border why not Canada's border too. What is fair is fair.
That'd only be helping our country out, not yours.
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Old 12-22-2018, 10:42 AM
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Demos wanted wall once ..
USA is turning into a total two party war.
Once side is totally this , one side totally that
So childishly dumb .

Have some balls democrats . Keep illegals out ..!
What were the details of the meeting Mitch had the night Obama was sworn in?
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Old 12-22-2018, 10:45 AM
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That'd only be helping our country out, not yours.
funny thing is, sundance actually thought his post would be a troll post.
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I dont always talk to democrats,,, but when I do I order fries.
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Old 12-22-2018, 11:19 AM
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How many Mexicans actually cross the border illegally?

From 1.7 million per yr under Georgie boy to 170,000 under President Obama

Interesting stuff
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Old 12-22-2018, 11:28 AM
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That's cuz ODumbass welcomed them with open arms. They didn't need to sneak in
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Old 12-22-2018, 11:29 AM
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•The 297,000 births per year to illegal immigrants is larger than the total number of births in any state other than California and Texas. It is also larger than the total number of births in 16 states plus the District of Columbia, combined.

•The estimated 28,000 births to illegal immigrants in just the Los Angeles metro area is larger than the total number of births in 14 states and the District of Columbia.

•Among new mothers who are in the United States illegally (67 percent) are either uninsured or on Medicaid. Almost all of these births are likely paid for by taxpayers.

• Illegal immigrants account for 11 percent (198,000) of all publicly funded births.

•We estimate that the cost to taxpayers for births to Illegal immigrants is $2.4 billion per year.
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Old 12-22-2018, 11:34 AM
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Old 12-22-2018, 11:57 AM
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•The 297,000 births per year to illegal immigrants is larger than the total number of births in any state other than California and Texas. It is also larger than the total number of births in 16 states plus the District of Columbia, combined.

•The estimated 28,000 births to illegal immigrants in just the Los Angeles metro area is larger than the total number of births in 14 states and the District of Columbia.

•Among new mothers who are in the United States illegally (67 percent) are either uninsured or on Medicaid. Almost all of these births are likely paid for by taxpayers.

• Illegal immigrants account for 11 percent (198,000) of all publicly funded births.

•We estimate that the cost to taxpayers for births to Illegal immigrants is $2.4 billion per year.
Wayne, I'm for better laws and figuring out whats best for this country, but us Americans are to blame for some of the immigration issue. This is not a D or R or I issue, it's an American issue.

Businesses i.e. restaurants, hotels, construction, farming to name a few pay mostly immigrants, low wages for cheap work. It's rumored that the President even does with with his businesses. Can you imagine if businesses actually had to pay a fair wage to Americans (if you can find them) to do these jobs?? Where do you think that cost will trickle down to? The consumers. Because we all know that CEOs aren't going to be forking over their money. We will have to pay for it one way or another. This is our own undoing.
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:02 PM
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This is not a D or R or I issue, it's an American issue.
I agree 100%

It needs to be addressed though and one side is trying to do it and the other is not. It is an issue of R & D for them.
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:06 PM
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republican politicians turned a blind eye because their donors like it because it keeps the the basement of wages low which affects wages throughout.

neoliberal politicians the ones the uniformed shitlibs call corporate dems, like it for the same reason AND it guarantees votes, thus power.

Trump has been the only politician to curb the tide of globalism

and the wall is necessary as a physical barrier, it wont stop all illegal immigration though

But it will still pay for itself.
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:09 PM
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whats most hilarious is watching shitlibs who dont have an inventory on their ideals push for things that contradict

YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO RAISE STANDARD OF LIVING AND WAGES SIGNIFICANTLY IF YOU ADVOCATE FOR OPEN BORDERS
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:17 PM
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I agree 100%

It needs to be addressed though and one side is trying to do it and the other is not. It is an issue of R & D for them.
Yes, but is the "problem" being well thought out. We could probably talk about about hundreds of issues that each side supports one way or another. However, it's become me vs. you issue and if I don't get my way, you shouldn't get yours. That's not how this is all supposed to work. We are supposed to work together to resolve issues. Not sit there an bicker at each other. We (not saying you lol) are our own worst enemy.

We elect people to do whats best for us and what do we get???? Nothing accomplished. That's BS if you ask me. Some of these dame people on both sides are so god damn old, they need to retire.
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:24 PM
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W did start this, but Obamas admin didnt catch many illegals at all, they had a "catch and release" program

they underfunded the courts at the border so when they were detained and a certain number of days passed and their case hadnt been heard they were released, all the numbers are skewed.

Trump is really securing our border to the best he is allowed with the resources available
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:30 PM
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This is how ridiculous it gets when you get motherly instinct involved in your nations politics

most nations dont give intruders a "case" to be heard in their court system, talk about a waste of money. They just remove/deport

There are libertarian methods to fix this, and thats remove the incentives, in other words remove the financial aid/welfare for illegals

But that takes congress too. They dont care if the middle class is bled dry paying taxes

its a win/win for the political class, more taxes, lower wages, who are the only ones really in favor of immigration in general

the only solution has become authoritative, maybe use the military

Pew Research has the correct research when the question is framed correctly

these surveys are largely disingenuous, they will ask for example

"Do illegals deserve to die of thirst attempting to cross the border, and they assume all Nos mean they want open borders
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:33 PM
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In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.

Welfare use drops to 58 percent for non-citizen households and 30 percent for native households if cash payments from the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) are not counted as welfare. EITC recipients pay no federal income tax. Like other welfare, the EITC is a means-tested, anti-poverty program, but unlike other programs one has to work to receive it.

Compared to native households, non-citizen households have much higher use of food programs (45 percent vs. 21 percent for natives) and Medicaid (50 percent vs. 23 percent for natives).

Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent).
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:37 PM
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The arrival of 1.75 million immigrants (legal and illegal) in 2016 continues the post-2011 surge in immigration. In 2011 it was 1.08 million; in 2012 it was 1.21 million; in 2013 it was 1.28 million; in 2014 it was 1.5 million; and in 2015 it was 1.62 million.

Half of the increase in new arrivals (legal and illegal) since 2011 has been from Latin America, which doubled from 335,000 in that year to 668,000 in 2016.

Latin America surpassed Asia (East Asia and South Asia combined) as the top sending-region in 2016. Asia had been the top sending-region since 2010.

Annual immigration from Central America alone has nearly tripled, from 46,000 in 2011 to 133,000 new arrivals in 2016. This reflects in part the dramatic increase in illegal immigrant families from Central America crossing the southern border.

Compared to 2011, new immigration (legal and illegal) from South America is up by 250 percent, to 171,000 in 2016, and new arrivals from the Caribbean roughly doubled to 168,000 over the same time period.

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Old 12-22-2018, 01:03 PM
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To your point Roma. It also shows how they had less interest in illegal immigration during the Obama years

On May 9, 2018, the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR), the Department of Justice (DOJ) component responsible for the immigration courts and the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) released updated court statistics, and announced that it intended to implement a "transparency initiative".

The court statistics included statistics for the first two quarters of FY 2018. Among the key takeaways:

The total number of pending cases continues to rise. As of the date those statistics were released, there were 697,777 cases pending before the approximately 334 immigration judges in the immigration courts, or just less than 2,090 cases per judge. That said, however, total case completions were up in FY 2017 to 169,150, as compared to 153,133 in FY 2016. Through the first two quarters of FY 2018, the immigration courts had completed 92,009 cases; if this trend holds, the immigration courts will complete more than 184,000 cases this fiscal year.

While this completion rate is off of the historical average, it reveals a reversal of the downward trend in case completions that had been occurring since FY 2008, with the exception of a slight uptick in FY 2015, from a 10-year low that occurred in FY 2014 (when the courts completed only 152,901 cases). That exception was likely related to the "surge" of unaccompanied alien children (UACs) and family units that occurred that year, and which drew off immigration court resources.
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Old 12-22-2018, 01:07 PM
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U.S. immigration enforcement and adjudication are failing. American immigration courts have the highest failure to appear rates of any courts in the country. Over the last 20 years, 37 percent of all aliens free pending trial failed to appear for their hearings. From the 2,498,375 foreign nationals outside detention during their court proceedings, 1,219,959 were ordered removed, 75 percent of them (918,098) for failing to appear. Only 25 percent of this group — some 301,861 people — actually litigated their claims.
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Nearly 46,000 people each year disappeared from court. Deportation orders for failure to appear are the largest group of orders issued by immigration courts outside detention facilities. From 1996 through 2015, removal orders for failure to appear numbered 918,098. Among those who absconded from court were 3,095 aliens from the 36 countries that promote terrorism.
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Among those who absconded from court were 3,095 aliens from the 36 countries that promote terrorism.
This should concern everybody. Right, left and middle.
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Old 12-22-2018, 06:15 PM
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I'm all for the wall and I'm what you call a shit lib, libtard among others. I just want Trump to keep his word on having Mexico pay for it. I know a guy that's a bartender at Mar-Lago and it's no secret that Trump does and has employed illegals there for years. The guy is a living lie and a pos.
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The guy is a living lie and a pos.
Show me a politician that isn't
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Old 12-22-2018, 07:41 PM
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Trump always claimed he was one of those lobbyists who could buy politicians

he never said otherwise

to begin to think even that this makes him hypocrite would show low business acumen

someone in business will use any advantage allowed and even if they arent the genesis of the practice would need to to adopt the policy to stay competitive. This should be obvious.

He claimed however to want to change that system. Its pretty amazing the power of repetition has but shitlibs now are for imperialism, you can see this in how they mimic the establishment in wanting perpetual war in the middle east.

Ill wager he does not use illegals any longer in any of his businesses.

With shitlibs I see a lot of pretending to have the power to read minds, but Trump does lie a lot and you never know if hes lying to himself and struggling with a decision, his mind is made up but he shows the opposite position just lying to the media like a head fake or what hes doing. With Obama the news articles were copy pasts jobs of white house press releases, in other words the white houses word was taken as truth as an assumption. When I see establishment shills squirm and fear monger I grin. He promised many times on the campaign trail to bring back troops, and decried our neocon foreigtn policy the last 35 years, yet the media will have you believe lol hes doing it for Putin. And most shitlibs eat it up, lol, they are now in favor of Neocon middle east policy of perpetual war costing trillions because they are programmed to counter signal anything trump does.

Like most things I only care about empirical results, troops coming home are the result and its good. I don't care if to come to that result I had to think for 48 hours he was going to cuck and give in like with the wall. The gaffs are when he gives in to establishment pressure or doesn't come hard enough. These are not significant lies relative to the lies told about Obamacare, for example. The video of the MIT professor telling his small audience about how it was obvious that the young and healthy people who might even get by with no health insurance would be paying the burden of everybody else, but that the American people needed to be lied to to pass it, was gold

The left is very good at pushing their narratives, its through manipulation and appeals to emotions many times, people are bombarded with repetitive themes. but for the first time in many many years they have a true opposition Before Trump, the right conformed to the lefts framing of most narratives, so they dont like if they cant frame the argument anymore. This is why so many perpetual adolescents are so worked up and easy to program. Because they were accustomed to getting their way for so long. Now you have people defending a special counsel that began illegally. with no genuine evidence whatsoever, but some phony planted stories got them surveillance on a private citizen who was running for office, and if that uncovers some far off tax evasion or even a more recent campaign finance violation, nothing to do with the original accusations you will claim victory. Things normally that are slaps on the wrists for people at this level.

Its not even really about anything partisan many times. Just an example, bringing the troops home. I guarantee you outside the DC beltway, both dems and Rs want them to come home

Maybe you should begin to consider some lies carry more weight

This is your neocon media, but this type of nonsense isnt exclusive to Neocons



Christopher Steele admits dossier charge unverified - Washington Times

Steele also testified in British Court to have been paid by HRC,and that McCain ordered the dossier to be delivered to BuzzFeed

German reporter stripped of CNN '''Journalist of the Year''' awards for fabricating stories

Der Spiegel German reporter who CNN had named the journo of the year, fired over making up a whole bunch of stuff in 14 different articles.

It's hard to keep momentum moving forward on your one world govt aspirations. Even with almost unlimited funds and the power of the mainstream media
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Old 12-22-2018, 07:51 PM
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You would lose that wager.
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