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Old 12-21-2018, 01:27 PM
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Just a exersize so Trump can blame the shut down on the Dems

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Old 12-21-2018, 03:09 PM
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trump also just ordered half the troops home in afghanistan

and just got funding for the wall in the house


good day overall after a bad few weeks
I wouldn't go that far, asylum ban just got struck down by the Supreme Court. And what happened to Mexico paying for the wall or steel slats. Criminal justice reform bill signing was good but its drowned out by all the chaos, not to mention a likely shutdown. He should've taken the deal back in the summer that gave him much more money for his wall.
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Old 12-21-2018, 05:22 PM
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I wouldn't go that far, asylum ban just got struck down by the Supreme Court. And what happened to Mexico paying for the wall or steel slats. Criminal justice reform bill signing was good but its drowned out by all the chaos, not to mention a likely shutdown. He should've taken the deal back in the summer that gave him much more money for his wall.
But, he is the "deal maker"

He has an "Art" doing so. Look at the price he paid for that piece of art, portrait of himself, with OP$

Mattis, only one with balls to tell him what a fuck up he is.

He did say he was smarter than the Generals, so he gave warning, but his base was blinded by the "Wall" shit and "tax reform"

Maybe his base should volunteer to go to Syria, with their AR-15's and do some damage. will be plenty of ISIS combatants waiting for their arrival

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Old 12-23-2018, 11:32 AM
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We can not afford to abandon our allies in the region, namely the Kurds. Otherwise it will lead to a vacuum, just as Obama and Clinton's refusal to hold off ISIS from Iraq. Yeah, it's a shitty hand but one that we've dealt to ourselves. Basically, the US has disrupted what was the balance of power in the Middle East. We can't just pick up our toys and go home... If we don't try to correct problems over there... they will become problems over here!
Still S'gMFH over this..
If Trump goes ahead w/this plan, he has signed a Death Warrant on the Kurds. No way to treat an Ally.

Last sentence of a Politico story..
"But if even the Mad Dog couldn’t sway a willful president who feels utterly unbound by the usual rules of foreign policy making, why should we think his successor would have any more success?"

Turks need to keep their ass in Turkey! IMHO

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Old 12-23-2018, 11:39 AM
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dude no offense youre way off with this

the kuids are a group fighting for independence that are continuously rejected by their neighbors, they are also marxist ideologically lol AND they have been used by the CIA to gain moral cover for all these wars. Was the same in Iraq

They arent a good reason to go nor to stay

I mean I guess I feel for them but its definitely not worth the trillions

And they have not been a huge help despite the fake news reports

they are in Syria illegally, period, not their country
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Old 12-24-2018, 01:11 PM
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dude no offense youre way off with this

the kuids are a group fighting for independence that are continuously rejected by their neighbors, they are also marxist ideologically lol AND they have been used by the CIA to gain moral cover for all these wars. Was the same in Iraq

They arent a good reason to go nor to stay

I mean I guess I feel for them but its definitely not worth the trillions

And they have not been a huge help despite the fake news reports

they are in Syria illegally, period, not their country
Kurds don't have a country roma! Reminds me of our brothers to the south.. "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us". That region is historically their homeland.. part of Iraq, Turkey and Syria. You can't just go in and slaughter people because you don't want them on "your" land. Personally, I stand w/the Kurds and believe them to be deserving of an autonomous state, just like Jewish people which were "Given" a state in 1948. One man's Terrorists is another man's Freedom Fighter. I am open to your views please provide links to CIA pawns of which you speak.

You watch... it's going to be a fuckin' blood bath. I don't know how Trump can sleep at night. Beginning of the End for him or, End of the Beginning, either way will be good.

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Old 12-24-2018, 01:16 PM
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Old 12-24-2018, 01:24 PM
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Why the Trump Administration Should Support an Independent Kurdistan
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The United States is also opposed to the KRG referendum, in fact “ deeply disappointed,” reasoning that the issue will distract attention from the campaign against ISIS, in which the KRG has been a useful partner. America’s main Middle East ally, however, is unequivocally in favor of an independent Kurdistan. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said earlier this month that Israel supports “the legitimate means of the Kurdish people to obtain their own state.”

Israel, like many supporters of the Kurds, appreciates the KRG’s pro-Western sensibility. And the KRG returns Israel’s affection, flying Israeli flags at independence rallies. Many Israelis and pro-Israel activists in the United States see the KRG’s national aspirations as a reprise of the story of Zionism—a stateless people with an enduring sense of nationalism whose fight for self-determination, ignored by much of the civilized world, promises peace and prosperity. As Israeli lawmaker Yair Lapid tweeted: "The Jewish people know what it is to struggle for a homeland. The Kurds have a moral right to a state of their own. I wish them luck today."
Hell maybe Netanyahu sees fit to Nuke Turkish troops at the border if they launch an offensive against the Kurds.. And, then It's On !

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Old 12-26-2018, 07:14 PM
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I feel that DJT has taken steps to sustain US power in the region. Let's hope this proves to be true and positive.
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Old 12-30-2018, 02:10 PM
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Post Turks/Kurds background as of 2/2/18

Syria war: Why Turkey's battle for northern Syria matters - BBC News
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Old 12-30-2018, 03:32 PM
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exactly, they are a people without a land, and its not a reason to stay

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Old 12-30-2018, 04:13 PM
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Our 2000 troops over in Syria were not invited and that is a band aid. Our 2000 troops did not stop Assad from winning the war. The fact remains if he is our enemy, the enemy he is fighting is ISIS which is also our enemy.

He maybe a dictator but he holds the country together and Russian influence keeps him in check for the most part.

Syria and Iran have had a treaty since the 80 in the Iran/Iraq war. We may not like it and we don't have to trade with him, which keeps his country poor but he is their leader and with Russian support that is not changing


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Old 12-30-2018, 05:59 PM
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Why the Trump Administration Should Support an Independent Kurdistan
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Hell maybe Netanyahu sees fit to Nuke Turkish troops at the border if they launch an offensive against the Kurds.. And, then It's On !


Bro First, the Weekly Standard Neocon rag is dead

Two lol at Israel nuking Turkey over the Kurds

I haven't heard anything more funny in weeks

They may use that as an excuse, but then again they wouldnt nuke Turkey regardless

You keep talking about "allies" what do the Kurds offer in a relationship? Turkey is an actual ally, with a huge military and they are flirting with more Moscow influence, which would be a disaster right now

The kurds were useful to the Neocons, like I said, as moral cover or an excuse for their actions

but their true intentions have nothing to do with the kurds

So basically the kurds are useful when the deep state want to overthrow a regime to install a new one, i.e Saddam, Assad.

The Kurds are interested in involvement with the hopes when the new nation is partitioned they get a slice

Thats not happening in Syria
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Old 12-31-2018, 06:36 PM
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I don't see any New Nation happening and the Kurds have been a tremendous help to the US. That region is, in a very similar situation as, the Kashmir region between Pakistan and China. All I'm saying is don't hang the Kurds out to dry, like we did to the Montagnard's in VietNam.

Have a Happy & Prosperous New Year roma..

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VOA
US Official: No Abrupt Pullout of Troops From Syria

By Ken Bredemeier January 06, 2019

President Donald Trump's national security adviser said Sunday that U.S. withdrawal of its 2,000 troops in Syria will not be abrupt and also will be conditioned on Turkish assurances that it will not target Kurdish fighters allied with American forces.

John Bolton, during a visit to Israel for talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said there is no timetable for the troop withdrawal, but that the U.S. presence is Syria is also not unlimited. Bolton's comments were the first public confirmation that the withdrawal process has been slowed from an initial indication that it would be carried out within 30 days.

Bolton said Trump "wants the ISIS caliphate destroyed," referring to Islamic State, which once claimed Raqqa in northern Syria as the capital of its religious territory in Syria and Iraq.

The national security adviser said "the timetable flows from the policy discussions that we need to implement."

Trump overruled U.S. national security officials and surprised allies with his Dec. 19 announcement he was withdrawing the American troops from Syria, where they have carried out air attacks on Islamic State and Syrian positions and advised Kurdish fighters. Trump's action, meeting a long-time pledge of his to get U.S. troops out of Syria, drew widespread protests, including from Republican lawmakers. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis resigned in protest.

Bolton said the U.S. wants assurances from Turkey about the safety of Kurdish fighters allied with the United States before the U.S. military withdraws.

"We don't think the Turks ought to undertake military action that's not fully coordinated with and agreed to by the United States at a minimum so they don't endanger our troops, but also so that they meet the president's requirement that the Syrian opposition forces that have fought with us are not endangered," Bolton told reporters.

Bolton was meeting Sunday night with Netanyahu, who has voiced concern about the U.S. troop withdrawal and continued worries about the Iranian military buildup in Syria.

The national security adviser is headed to Turkey on Monday, to find out what its objectives are in northern Syria and assurances that it will not kill Kurdish fighters. Turkey has carried out a three-decade fight against Kurds in southeastern Turkey.
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Old 01-08-2019, 01:48 PM
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Post Fats on the fire now...

Condensed version...
Bolton: We don't want you to beat up on our Kurdish allies!
Erdogan: Fuck you, go home!

Turkey slams US request for assurances on Syrian Kurds - SFGate
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Thanks roma but, I support the Kurds for the reasons stated above. US has fucked over so many "friends" in similar instances that I'm sick of it, period! Standing w/those that have stood w/us is not naive. As I have said, if you have compelling evidence why we should not support the Kurds, I would be happy to read it. Send a link... As for being naive, saying someone is naive because they don't agree w/you IS WHAT is naive. Have a good day.
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:09 PM
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bolton thinks he can go behind the presidents back and make deals with netanyahu

we arent in syria for a humanitarian effort for the kurds lol
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1) bolton thinks he can go behind the presidents back and make deals with netanyahu

2) we arent in syria for a humanitarian effort for the kurds lol
1 - We don't know that he did. (Some people talk out of both sides of their month).
2- Never said it had anything to do w/humanitarian effort. It's about being a reliable ally for anyone that would chose to stand w/us.

Sight your source(s) or is this just stuff you've made up?

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Old 01-09-2019, 07:55 PM
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LMAO. So you think we originally went to Syria for the Kurds?


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LMAO. So you think we originally went to Syria for the Kurds?
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You score low in comprehension don't you buddy!
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Old 01-10-2019, 11:34 AM
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its cite your sources, not sight

its common knowledge that we are there for Israels benefit, are you a daft ?
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Cite or sight, you have done neither!
So, the US is Netanyahu's lap dog
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