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Old 10-15-2019, 07:01 PM
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Angry Aaron Dean

Here's another dumb ass cop, NEVER identifies himself as a police officer, he shoots and hopes to ask questions later, and now an innocent woman is dead in their own home minding their own business playing video games with her 8 year old nephew. First Amber Guyger, now this one. Follow your fuckin' training dummy!
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Andre,

I agree that the officer failed to identify himself and likely did not follow procedure/policy but I do think there is more to the story and part of it seems to be a series of bad events building on one another. The thing that bothers me is somehow this became about race. Poor police work yes but a racially motivated shooting no.

If the officer acknowledge his presence then I doubt the woman goes for her gun thinking she has a prowler outside. She is certainly entitled to protect herself, however, if Iím an officer and I see someone (donít care about race, sex, etc.) in a house with a raised gun (when the original call from a neighbor stated the door had been left open all night) an officer is going to protect himself. Again, if this officer would have identified himself this whole thing perhaps is avoided but itís awful easy to judge when youíre not in that officerís shoes.


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Old 10-16-2019, 08:24 AM
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Andre,

I agree that the officer failed to identify himself and likely did not follow procedure/policy but I do think there is more to the story and part of it seems to be a series of bad events building on one another. The thing that bothers me is somehow this became about race. Poor police work yes but a racially motivated shooting no.

If the officer acknowledge his presence then I doubt the woman goes for her gun thinking she has a prowler outside. She is certainly entitled to protect herself, however, if Iím an officer and I see someone (donít care about race, sex, etc.) in a house with a raised gun (when the original call from a neighbor stated the door had been left open all night) an officer is going to protect himself. Again, if this officer would have identified himself this whole thing perhaps is avoided but itís awful easy to judge when youíre not in that officerís shoes.


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Well said. My thoughts exactly.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:46 AM
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Andre,

I agree that the officer failed to identify himself and likely did not follow procedure/policy but I do think there is more to the story and part of it seems to be a series of bad events building on one another. The thing that bothers me is somehow this became about race. Poor police work yes but a racially motivated shooting no.

If the officer acknowledge his presence then I doubt the woman goes for her gun thinking she has a prowler outside. She is certainly entitled to protect herself, however, if I’m an officer and I see someone (don’t care about race, sex, etc.) in a house with a raised gun (when the original call from a neighbor stated the door had been left open all night) an officer is going to protect himself. Again, if this officer would have identified himself this whole thing perhaps is avoided but it’s awful easy to judge when you’re not in that officer’s shoes.


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Well, if there's more to this story why has ex-Ofr. Dean failed and refused to meet with investigators and did not write a report before he resigned. If youre innocent write a report, meet with investigators and answer all their questions. This shit seems pretty clear to me. Neighbor calls 911 about a front door being left ajar for hours to have someone do a well being check at the unit. Dispatcher radios an officer to investigate, officer makes his way to the property, walks around the premises with flashlight and weapon drawn, never identifies himself the whole time he's there. Gets to a window, sees someone peer through the window and discharges his weapon. There's no way he could've known the victim was black since it was dark and the victim was pretty much shot through the blinds, so I'm even not going there. Bottom line is the dummy needed to identify himself, and the police chief pretty much said so in his news conference.
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Andre,

Nobody is disputing he didn’t identify himself and that is the single biggest factor in how this tragic set of events unfolded.

Why didn’t he sit down with investigators? I will tell you why because he was already being convicted in the court of public opinion and I’m quite sure he was advised not to say anything at that point (he has rights too).

Also, I didn’t hear about the woman having a gun for the first two days after the shooting. Furthermore, that fact didn’t come from the officer or the police in some type of coverup that came directly from the nephew who simply told the investigators what happened and what he saw. As I stated she has every right to own a gun and protect herself.

My post was pretty straightforward...terrible police work, completely unrelated to race (which is certainly a narrative being put forth) and a tragedy that could have been avoided if the police officer identifies himself upon arrival at the house.
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Old 10-16-2019, 11:15 AM
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There is almost no DOJ data to suggest cops shoot and kills based on race. There are metrics that heavily suggest a white cop may well be reluctant to shoot a black person premised on biased responses that the MSM bring.Plus a section of population that is consumed with making cops out to be racist and look for isolated incidence to magnify.
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Nobody is disputing he didnít identify himself and that is the single biggest factor in how this tragic set of events unfolded.

Why didnít he sit down with investigators? I will tell you why because he was already being convicted in the court of public opinion and Iím quite sure he was advised not to say anything at that point (he has rights too).

Also, I didnít hear about the woman having a gun for the first two days after the shooting. Furthermore, that fact didnít come from the officer or the police in some type of coverup that came directly from the nephew who simply told the investigators what happened and what he saw. As I stated she has every right to own a gun and protect herself.

My post was pretty straightforward...terrible police work, completely unrelated to race (which is certainly a narrative being put forth) and a tragedy that could have been avoided if the police officer identifies himself upon arrival at the house.
So was mine, identify yourself and she's alive today. We both agree on terrible police protocol was used or not used in this case
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Old 10-16-2019, 08:59 PM
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Former police officer Aaron Dean is a trigger-happy idiot
There are many ways he could have identified himself

Front door was slightly opened

How about using the police cruiser siren, lights and speaker to get the attention of the people inside the home.
why go straight to the backyard where it's dark and fire into what looks like a dark bedroom.
It's a welfare check call.

Freaking sad how she died
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:51 PM
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A couple things guys. The neighbor didn’t call 911, he called non emergency number and told them her cars were there just that the doors were open in the house. The officer parked down the street from the house. I watched the body cam video. The front door is wide open with just a screen door house was completely lit up. He could’ve easily announced himself then. He walks around the side of the house where there’s another wide open door with a screen door. He than goes into the back yard where he sees her through the window, he says “put your hands up put “ and than shoots. That quick.
Also the police stated the next day they find a hand gun in the bedroom and gave out a photo of it. It was just bad police work on his part.
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Former police officer Aaron Dean is a trigger-happy idiot
There are many ways he could have identified himself

Front door was slightly opened

How about using the police cruiser siren, lights and speaker to get the attention of the people inside the home.
why go straight to the backyard where it's dark and fire into what looks like a dark bedroom.
It's a welfare check call.

Freaking sad how she died



"It's a welfare check call".


Unfortunately that is another part of the tragedy that was potentially mishandled. While the caller had every intention of wanting a welfare check done it appears the call was dispatched differently and as a result handled differently when the officers arrived. Instead of a welfare check it was an open structure dispatch and the officers approached the house accordingly.

Unreal how many things went wrong with this situation that were not with bad intent. Neighbor trying to be helpful and was concerned, dispatcher may have misread the situation but certainly not with malice, and the women has a weapon to defend herself and happens to have it in her hands when the officer sees her...horrible series of events.

Again, if the officer(s) just identify themselves this whole thing likely doesn't happen.


Fort Worth shooting: Officers weren't asked to do welfare check. Here's how it changed things
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:42 AM
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"It's a welfare check call".


Unfortunately that is another part of the tragedy that was potentially mishandled. While the caller had every intention of wanting a welfare check done it appears the call was dispatched differently and as a result handled differently when the officers arrived. Instead of a welfare check it was an open structure dispatch and the officers approached the house accordingly.

Unreal how many things went wrong with this situation that were not with bad intent. Neighbor trying to be helpful and was concerned, dispatcher may have misread the situation but certainly not with malice, and the women has a weapon to defend herself and happens to have it in her hands when the officer sees her...horrible series of events.

Again, if the officer(s) just identify themselves this whole thing likely doesn't happen.


Fort Worth shooting: Officers weren't asked to do welfare check. Here's how it changed things

Did the body cam show that the victim had a gun ?
Fort Worth police officials released body-camera footage of the shooting and included an image of a gun found in the house.

"Put your hands up , Show me your hands" , then Dean fired

SEE RAW BODY CAM FOOTAGE: Cop charged with murder after gunning down 28-year-old woman playing video games with nephew in her own home – Crime Online

Fort Worth police officials interviewed 8-year-old boy (nephew) who saw her aunt killed without another adult (family member or friend)

The warrant says the 8-year-old boy who witnessed the shooting told police that Jefferson "raised her handgun" and "pointed it toward the window."
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Bottom line is his attorney will have a difficult time anything better than
Second degree murder here.But looking at the cop, he has that kind of vacant look I am sure many of you in this forum have.Detached and self absorbed.
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Second degree murder here.But looking at the cop, he has that kind of vacant look I am sure many of you in this forum have.Detached and self absorbed.
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