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Old 05-10-2019, 11:50 PM
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Koko

As I have come here for many things. I come here again to ask the opinion

Koko is 12. He is a Cocker Spaniel and he has battled ear infections his entire life. He is in a good place right now meaning he is not scratching and they do not smell. No fever, his labs (wbc count) are within normal limits. He has started whimpering and the vet placed him on a antipsychotic, antideppresant and morphine.

He is blind and has been for 4 years. He goes in the yard without issues and comes back. She thinks he is not in pain. Why prescribe morphine?

As many of you know I have a back ground in medical. None of this makes sense to me.

Anyone who knows cockers has advice greatly appreciated.

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Old 05-11-2019, 10:31 AM
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Sorry to hear this Cman. I've been in similar circumstances w/pets before..
Consider this..If he is whimpering he has pain. What is his quality of life? Are you prolonging his life for Koko or for you? bol
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:21 PM
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I guess me

but I do not know he is in pain

I will decide this week with vet visit

I hate this

I hate ending something that is not over

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Old 05-11-2019, 07:58 PM
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I think when that time comes it will be much more clear. To me it doesn't seem you are not at that point yet. Don't do anything you will second guess later. Be very clear you are doing the right thing. If he is still moving around ok I would wait. JMO.
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:40 AM
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I kinda agree with Mark here. I remember putting my last dog down 5 years ago. We knew the time had come when he couldn't jump up onto the bed and sleep with us. Then he started not eating much at all and it was just time. Its tough as hell. See how the vet visit goes this week and go from there. Best of luck dawg
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Old 05-12-2019, 09:58 AM
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imo there is nothing wrong with taking your dog to another vet for another professional opinion. anti depressent, anti psychotic and morphine? that just sounds plain crazy for a dog with ear problems.
i have had to put down several pets over the years and you will know when its time.
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Old 05-12-2019, 10:35 AM
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imo there is nothing wrong with taking your dog to another vet for another professional opinion. anti depressent, anti psychotic and morphine? that just sounds plain crazy for a dog with ear problems.
i have had to put down several pets over the years and you will know when its time.
That is what I told my wife and she is also a nurse. She still practices, she is at her wits end with his whimpering and it is tearing us apart

I think we should wait and she just wants it over

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Old 05-12-2019, 10:51 AM
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like humans, if there is infection near the brain there is risk of brain damage/infection. as both of you have medical backgrounds, this should be an obvious concern.
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Old 05-12-2019, 10:57 AM
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agreed but he still recognizes me. My grandmother does not recognize me. Dementia is not a reason to kill someone.

Pain is reason to end a life. I get that and I will stop it now if that is the case.

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Old 05-12-2019, 12:27 PM
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the more I think about this, the more questions I have.
why those 3 prescriptions?
specially morphine? morphine & or tylenol work quite differently than ibruprofen (nsaids)
why no anti-biotics for the infection.
anti-psycotics and anti-depressants are not a cure for an ear infection.

my little dog(22 lbs) was in pain a couple of yrs ago for about a week, to the point where she could not even climb 2 stairs of a landing. by saturday night I was contemplating an emergency vet call for sunday. What I did was crush a sliver of ibruprofen and slipped it onto a pc of beef jerky. Sunday she was 60-70% better and actually a lot more active during her walks that day. Monday, the vet prescribed `Meta-Cam` a painkiller of sorts for pets and she has been great ever since.

give this a try: take ibruprofen and crush about half the pill (200mg) or 1/4 if (400). ibruprofen is an anti-inflammatory as Im sure you know. this should quell any pain in the ear nerve endings. pretty sure your koko will quit whinning over the next 4 -12 hrs or so.
then question your vet about anti-biotics or find another vet.

this tiny amount of nsaids wont harm your dog and may alleviate any concerns about pain, also ask about that meta-cam.

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Old 05-12-2019, 07:27 PM
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Ibuprofen is 200mg in a whole pill....believe it or not Ibuprofen becomes prescription strength at 800 mg

His only lab that was out of line was platelet count was high.

Guess what interferes with platelet ...aspirin

.81 mg

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Old 05-12-2019, 08:58 PM
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we can get 400 mg up here off the shelf.
Bout 10 yrs ago while going through a cancer scare, pre treatment, I was popping ibruprofen like smarties for pain relief in my ear. had a small tumor below my ear in my throat. nerve endings in my ear were painful as fuc.
every 4-6/7 hrs I would swallow 4-5 ibruprofen(400s).
one day was particularly bad, next day I went to my dr whinin that over the last 24 hrs I had consumed the equivalent of 10,000 mg of ibruprofen. lol, she gave me supreme shit, but then prescribed some t-3s for the pain.
soon as I started radiation and chemo, the pain stopped and I threw out the nsaids.
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hows koko doing today cman?
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