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Old 05-10-2019, 07:01 PM
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Roll call: CM posters still owed from football contests

I've been very reluctant about doing this for a while, because I know Jack is going through some difficult times both inside the forum as well as outside.

However, I also feel that during the season this money somehow has been mixed with other funds...which NEVER should have happened. So, it's important that posters who have loyally for years, posted up money, and spent a lot of time participating in these contests as well as potential future participants know about these delays moving forward.

The contest threads were deleted a bit too soon after football season ended. Before being deleted, I noticed one post asking if anybody had been paid yet. It was a long-time contest regular, but I cannot recall the name. At that time, I considered posting something similar to this, but instead chose to allow more time before making an ordeal about this.

If you're owed money it's time to speak up.

I'm owed slightly more than $3,000. It's from finishing 3rd/4th with the NFL pick 5 and a couple weeks of confidence pool winnings.
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Old 05-10-2019, 11:07 PM
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Sorry to hear this, Brief. You have been more than patient.
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wow despite jacks family issues, ive never had a problem getting paid
good for you being patient but this is past the point
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Old 05-11-2019, 05:36 AM
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I don't feel I'm going to be stiffed and of course I do genuinely feel bad for Jack's wife being very ill. However, the payment delays are notable because people posting up for contests here need to know the situation that we're now into May and contest winners have yet to be paid.

There has been some communication between Jack and I, so I knew in January there was going to be a delay with payment. It has reached the point that I feel it's necessary that we all know who else here is waiting to be paid and the total balance owed to posters.
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:16 AM
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Not sure why Jack's family issues has anything to do with a poster or posters getting paid their winnings for a football contest.. No way this amount of time should have passed before getting paid.. One shouldn't have anything to do with the other..
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Old 05-11-2019, 03:41 PM
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im sorry to hear about that briefcase. I dont think it's fair. I had no idea people were owed this much.

I'm owed like 350 or so, nothing like you but to be fair I've carried a balance with Jack for more in the past. so I didn't think anything of it.
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Old 05-12-2019, 12:22 PM
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I've been very reluctant about doing this for a while, because I know Jack is going through some difficult times both inside the forum as well as outside.

However, I also feel that during the season this money somehow has been mixed with other funds...which NEVER should have happened. So, it's important that posters who have loyally for years, posted up money, and spent a lot of time participating in these contests as well as potential future participants know about these delays moving forward.

The contest threads were deleted a bit too soon after football season ended. Before being deleted, I noticed one post asking if anybody had been paid yet. It was a long-time contest regular, but I cannot recall the name. At that time, I considered posting something similar to this, but instead chose to allow more time before making an ordeal about this.

If you're owed money it's time to speak up.

I'm owed slightly more than $3,000. It's from finishing 3rd/4th with the NFL pick 5 and a couple weeks of confidence pool winnings.
sounds like you guys need to start using bitcoin going forward for your contests. no trust is involved. no scams, everyone can see whats in the pot. it is all about transparency.
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Old 05-12-2019, 09:34 PM
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I feel for those that are owed.

What I do know is Jack has always paid my money owed in good time over many years.

Same with the prizes ive won. Except for the last one last year. All my dealings with Jack he has always been a very classy person.

Perhaps his problems are greater than we realise. I dont know that, just speculation.
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Jack should come into this thread and address this situation...and see where we are here. Posters need to get paid for their winnings....a little transparency would be helpful
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It makes it look worse that a poster that is owed is making this thread and not dr jack

I was always a fan of dr jack and cappersmall but you’d be a fool to play any other $ contests here without a DEEP explanation of why/what/where/when and how this isn’t going to happen in the future. Its going on 6 months from the end of the nfl season! Im truly sorry for the health problems his family is going through but when you’re holding 50k+ of funds that people posted up, it hard to not have tons of questions right now.
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sounds like you guys need to start using bitcoin going forward for your contests. no trust is involved. no scams, everyone can see whats in the pot. it is all about transparency.
This thread aint a spot to peddle your bitcoin hype. No trust involved? Everyone can see whats in the pot? You donít even make sense...the point of bitcoin is that it is all anonymous which is the opposite of transparent and opposite of every point you tried to make

PS- dr jack DID accept bitcoin as a form of payment for the contests and this STILL happened.
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Old 05-13-2019, 04:36 AM
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what I meant to say since I wasn't clear I've owed Jack more than he owes me currently and for a longer period. cappersmall is known for being the most honest straightforward, no drama forum among a lot of gambling portals in forumville. people who frequent other formus come here for the contests. people who frequent other forms often win the contests and are paid promptly. if one were to just tail in with your book, briefcase or redeye for example youd see the value in them coming over. let's hope this gets resolved soon. I dont think any of us regular posters or otherwise want to see cappersmalls reputation end
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:22 AM
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This thread aint a spot to peddle your bitcoin hype. No trust involved? Everyone can see whats in the pot? You donít even make sense...the point of bitcoin is that it is all anonymous which is the opposite of transparent and opposite of every point you tried to make

PS- dr jack DID accept bitcoin as a form of payment for the contests and this STILL happened.
Hey Bro keep your trap shut unless you know what you are talking about. Transparency with the bitcoin blockchain is one of the most important features of it. Go do some reading about it before you make ignorant comments and make yourself look like a fool.
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:30 PM
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Actually what is sad, is that not one MOD has commented on this post!

*I am not owed any money... every paid contest that I've played via this site was and has been paid in a timely manner. I believe that there must be some serious extenuating circumstances.
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:31 PM
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Actually what is sad, is that not one MOD has commented on this post!
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I'm a mod and I knew absolutely nothing about any of this until Briefcase started the thread. Not sure what you want people to say without any actual insight to the situation.

What can I speak about is Jack's character in the 16+ years Ive had interactions with him and I hold it in the highest regard.

I don't want to speculate on something I know nothing about but I'm fairly certain it will end well for everyone involved just knowing Jack.


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Old 05-13-2019, 07:39 PM
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agree with MCP

Jack is single handily half the reason I am on this site pretty much each and every day . bet its not many days I have missed .
the other half is divided among the competitive juices that this allows and the great guys on here.

and as far as personally , I have received many nice items that I won one way or the other from here .. but dammit its been awhile. got to get back to winning . I never was one to get into the cash ones however ..a lack of confidence I guess

I am sure all will turn out for you guys

in Jack I trust and cant wait until he can put more time in here .. nothing against Wayne tho
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:43 PM
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A poster named crazyivan24 has been posting in the auctions/raffles forum (below the main forum) here since late March about when he would receive his contest prize from Jack. Also, somebody named PrinceHal posted yesterday in that thread that he's waiting to be paid but wouldn't post how much he is owed.

It was odd seeing contest threads being taken down much quicker this year than any other year I've been involved, so there isn't any list of who won or how much. Usually posters show up in those posting hey Jack I received the funds...thanks and see you next season.

We're trying to give Jack respect he's owed during difficult times with his wife and other issues he's having, but it's mid-May now and I for one want paid and I've ran out of patience. Posters who usually post up and participate in these contests every year and new participants deserve to know the specifics about why contest winners are still waiting to receive their winnings.

Jack has sporadically answered my requests for updates, and I respect him enough to wait for him to post for others to see what's happening and why these payout delays are continuing.

It seems that several posters here still are owed money and aren't around to see this thread. In fact, has anybody actually been paid yet from an NFL post up contest this year?
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:54 PM
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still crickets from Jack ….. interesting.....Does anyone actually know Jack ? or how to get a hold of him outside of this forum and private messages ? If yes , speak up..... all I'm seeing here are testimonials on how great Jack is..etc...but this is alarming … I would now classify these contests as slow pay contests ..same type of rating you would get at a sportsbook that doesn't pay on time or within reason.. I saw the oil leaking 2 years ago , pretty much why I didn't enter the past year...Hope you guys get paid … I'm sure some would take a buyout at this point.. maybe the testimonial posters can get involved with that.. make some money if THEIR SO SURE THESE POSTERS WILL GET PAID..
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:01 PM
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This didn't happen to me fortunately, but this is something to think about regarding why I posted this thread. I feel sorry for any person who may have hedged the final week with a book or local a play or two heavily trying to lock up a profit against their post up contest entry picks here and the non-contest bets lost!

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Old 05-13-2019, 09:00 PM
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Actually what is sad, is that not one MOD has commented on this post!
The sad part is a MOD did reply and you didn't even know it. dave nz is a MOD and you even liked his post

I have not replied because there isn't much to say. In my time knowing Jack he has been nothing but upfront, honest and legit. I was shocked when i read this thread and my 1st reaction was wow, that just isn't like Jack to do that.

Me speculating does no good. I have talked to him and i know some of the things he is going through but they would sound like excuses to others so there was really no need for me to go there.

I did send him a message when i saw this. He is not able to post right now and he is going to get in touch with me soon. That is really all i can say right now. As soon as i know more, i will let you know.

I know 1 thing, Jack has collected and paid out over a half a million dollars here in pools and prizes and he has been as honest as it gets since day 1. I am not going to pile on or throw him under the bus over this. Not until i get to hear from him 1st. His response is the only one that matters to me and we will get that soon.

I know we had $1,000 squares board for the SB and over $3,000 in March Madness bracket winners and all were paid within 24 hours. We also had the NBA Wins contest end and they were paid within 5 days. It would have been sooner but had to wait for money to be transferred. There was obviously an issue with the last football season but i wouldn't say buyer beware to everything either

I know people don't want to hear it when it involves them but sometimes life happens and unfortunately circumstances happen too. Hopefully it gets resolved soon.
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:50 PM
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I am hesitant to hang Jack out to dry, for two reasons -- 1. I believe he is going through major life disruption, and something happened beyond his wife's illness that created a major hardship for him, 2. I guess I wonder if being public about this delay will lower my chances of getting paid.

Jack and I have been in touch, and he has reassured me a few times that he is doing what he can, and money will be paid before NFL 2019. Maybe I'm naive or maybe I just don't have any other options -- but I believe him.

I took chops in the $500 NFL Survivor and 2nd Chance Survivor. Briefcase is owed $3000. The amount I'm owed is more than Briefcase's $3000.

I will happily update this thread when I receive all or part of these winnings.
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The sad part is a MOD did reply and you didn't even know it. dave nz is a MOD and you even liked his post

I have not replied because there isn't much to say. In my time knowing Jack he has been nothing but upfront, honest and legit. I was shocked when i read this thread and my 1st reaction was wow, that just isn't like Jack to do that.

Me speculating does no good. I have talked to him and i know some of the things he is going through but they would sound like excuses to others so there was really no need for me to go there.

I did send him a message when i saw this. He is not able to post right now and he is going to get in touch with me soon. That is really all i can say right now. As soon as i know more, i will let you know.

I know 1 thing, Jack has collected and paid out over a half a million dollars here in pools and prizes and he has been as honest as it gets since day 1. I am not going to pile on or throw him under the bus over this. Not until i get to hear from him 1st. His response is the only one that matters to me and we will get that soon.

I know we had $1,000 squares board for the SB and over $3,000 in March Madness bracket winners and all were paid within 24 hours. We also had the NBA Wins contest end and they were paid within 5 days. It would have been sooner but had to wait for money to be transferred. There was obviously an issue with the last football season but i wouldn't say buyer beware to everything either

I know people don't want to hear it when it involves them but sometimes life happens and unfortunately circumstances happen too. Hopefully it gets resolved soon.
Were those other 3 contests funds held by Jack ? If not , those contests are irrelevant to this situation.. if yes , thats another issue into itself..why would those contests be graded and prizes awarded long after NFL season contests which ended months before ?

Also , when you say you talked to him , is that something different other then private message ? Like a phone call for example ? And why is he unable to post at this time ? Can't think why anyone , even under any bad circumstances , can't take a couple of min out to post something , especially now that it looks like several people are owed money ? .. life doesn't stop under any circumstances. Still have to take care of your responsibilities.. not 1 person has come forward to tell us they've been paid for this NFL contest and maybe others...
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I have not replied because there isn't much to say. In my time knowing Jack he has been nothing but upfront, honest and legit. I was shocked when i read this thread and my 1st reaction was wow, that just isn't like Jack to do that.
Agree 100%. 16 years I've been involved with this site. And this is the first issue of any significance I've seen involving Jack or his site.

I know what its liked to be owed money. Its shit. Strange situation, which hopefully is resolved soon.
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The sad part is a MOD did reply and you didn't even know it. dave nz is a MOD and you even liked his post

I have not replied because there isn't much to say. In my time knowing Jack he has been nothing but upfront, honest and legit. I was shocked when i read this thread and my 1st reaction was wow, that just isn't like Jack to do that.

Me speculating does no good. I have talked to him and i know some of the things he is going through but they would sound like excuses to others so there was really no need for me to go there.

I did send him a message when i saw this. He is not able to post right now and he is going to get in touch with me soon. That is really all i can say right now. As soon as i know more, i will let you know.

I know 1 thing, Jack has collected and paid out over a half a million dollars here in pools and prizes and he has been as honest as it gets since day 1. I am not going to pile on or throw him under the bus over this. Not until i get to hear from him 1st. His response is the only one that matters to me and we will get that soon.

I know we had $1,000 squares board for the SB and over $3,000 in March Madness bracket winners and all were paid within 24 hours. We also had the NBA Wins contest end and they were paid within 5 days. It would have been sooner but had to wait for money to be transferred. There was obviously an issue with the last football season but i wouldn't say buyer beware to everything either

I know people don't want to hear it when it involves them but sometimes life happens and unfortunately circumstances happen too. Hopefully it gets resolved soon.
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Old 05-14-2019, 04:16 AM
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I know people don't want to hear it when it involves them but sometimes life happens and unfortunately circumstances happen too. Hopefully it gets resolved soon.
A time arrived when I felt everybody at the forum needed to know about these delays. Even if it lowered my chances of being paid. Yes, because of points I've already made here, these contests now certainly are more so buyer beware situations moving forward. To believe and advise otherwise is misguided.

I could've taken an indefinite position such as PrinceHal has mentioned, assuming remaining quiet about this would increase my chances of being paid. Just wait for the contest sign-up period to begin in August and we'll surely all be paid then. Rob Peter to pay Paul and all will be well until next year.

Recent years, the total contest pools here total roughly $50,000-$70,000 in August with posters' cash. It's assumed our cash sits quietly and safely with Jack until early January.

I mentioned to Jack sometime during April that I was starting to think my balance was going to loop around until next football season begins. He assured me that no threads would be started for contest sign-ups until all owed money was paid.

I like Jack. This doesn't have any goal of disrespecting him. I did this because a fundamental premise of these boards is to help other gamblers avoid pitfalls. Shit books, credit card scams, etc. All of us can find winners, losers, injuries, and coaching changes at any sports gambling website.

Posters may be hedging large bets late season with false expectations they'll be timely paid.

Posters also may be bringing others they know here to post up funds to participate. If they are waiting many months to be paid, that can create problems. A guy who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who works with another guy or guys and you also bowl with weekly.

They send cash to participate in a $500 survivor pool signs up here. A handful of others sign up for the pick 5 contest. It's the talk of the bowling league the entire football season.

Now this gets interesting...or as you've chosen to post..."life happens." One of them wins 15 grand in the survivor pool. Tells his wife, hey babe let's go on a cruise this summer. Another wins 10-12 grand in the pick 5 and lays down a 20% non-refundable deposit for that roof his house needs.

One could be your boss, or a vendor who's a large piece of your weekly sales, your neighbor, your brother-in-law, etc.

Do you see the point yet Wayne or does that also fall into your "life happens" category and we all should just hush until Jack decides to post something?

Of course life happens...however, transparency also is fundamental to obtaining and maintaining trust. Therefore, the forum now deserves to read from Jack posting what has caused these payment delays and render their own conclusions.
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