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Old 05-14-2019, 03:33 PM
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Where can i get down on some of these bets?
I guess anyone that wants to bet with you. I just set the odds for you all. Buyer beware though.. could be some inside collusion involved
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Old 05-14-2019, 03:58 PM
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so ! that would be a no!

drama queen as well as contest whore.

maybe you should carry on back across the street and let the adults settle this. pretty sure jack will respond to briefcase in due time.
He won't only be responding to me here...imho a whole lot of folks who regularly participate and send him money for contests are watching closely.
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Old 05-14-2019, 04:06 PM
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so ! that would be a no!

drama queen as well as contest whore.

maybe you should carry on back across the street and let the adults settle this. pretty sure jack will respond to briefcase in due time.
Due time ? We're well past due time.. but thx for your contributions on the crisis.. been a big help ... maybe contact Jack and let him know we're looking for some answers here

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Old 05-14-2019, 04:28 PM
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look man, I feel for ya and am on your side on this one.

hundreds of contests have been run on this site that THOUSANDS have participated in. There may be a small amount on smoke and you are the one that is breathing some of that in, but 99% of people have been paid in contests here.

I really hope you get resolution to this soon!
I realize you agree that this is a mess. I'm disappointed because I've enjoyed the contests here for several years. Jack and I have thoroughly discussed various contest ideas.

This situation is like a 100 year flood occurring. For Jack to be at this level of crisis while shocking and disappointing, could and does happen to people with initial good intentions or not. It reached the level of no longer needing to be a secret probably at least a couple months ago.

Bashing Redeye or anybody else for their criticism about how this is being handled isn't where the focus of this thread should be whatsoever. He participated for a couple years in contests here, but quit after he disagreed with how they were administered. So essentially, he did hit the road as some of you have mentioned. I happened to agree with his beef then, but it fell on deaf ears. I chose to continue playing since I've netted money overall. He's actually looking pretty sharp right now.

Because how a few things were mishandled last season with the NFL pick 5 contest, I decided that I probably wasn't going to participate in the NFL pick 5 this year or ever again anyway until some changes occurred. That decision was made even before this current slow pay situation unfolded.
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Old 05-14-2019, 04:46 PM
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Where did I miss the mark ?
Mainly everything after.. "Updated odds for Jack/".
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Old 05-14-2019, 04:51 PM
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Thread should be locked... cats out of the bag.. nothing positive to be gained here!

Either Jack will respond to the forum or not. No need to slander a guy that isn't even here to defend himself. I have zero knowledge of what's going on in Jack's life. But, I could see what a dilemma many people would have, If your wife were to be grievously ill and your ability to continue to pay for treatment were compromised. I would hate to have to tell all of my "cyber" buddies that, family comes first. I feel bad for those that are out the money.. but, let's hold up on the bashing for a bit.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:02 PM
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Mainly everything after.. "Updated odds for Jack/".
Actually think the odds are pretty accurate..
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Thread should be locked... cats out of the bag.. nothing positive to be gained here!

Either Jack will respond to the forum or not. No need to slander a guy that isn't even here to defend himself. I have zero knowledge of what's going on in Jack's life. But, I could see what a dilemma many people would have, If your wife were to be grievously ill and your ability to continue to pay for treatment were compromised. I would hate to have to tell all of my "cyber" buddies that, family comes first. I feel bad for those that are out the money.. but, let's hold up on the bashing for a bit.
Thread shouldn't be locked. No reason for it The credibility of the forum is at stake. Should be the top priority right now. Lets play it out til we get the answers it deserves.. besides , the thread was for a roll call on who hasn't been paid. Since the contests threads were unceremoniously pulled early , there needs to be some kind of thread where victims can voice..
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:44 PM
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The bashing is going to end. Hey red eye, you are owed nothing so you do not fall in to the victim or roll call responses. I'm done with your thoughts and your comedy routine.

If others are owed, go ahead and post. If you want to have a civil conversation, have at it. If you are in here to pile on and be nothing but an asshole, get the fuck out.

I have no interest in closing this thread or stopping people from posting but i will make sure the bullshit ends. If you made your point, great, move on.

Jack had a heart attack 5 days ago. He probably doesn't even want me posting this but i'm fuckin sick of seeing him get the shit bashed out of him for not responding to this thread. I said in a previous post that he was not able to respond right now but he will as soon as he can. That is because he is still in the hospital and the doctors do not want him having his phone or anything else that may cause him stress right now. He is expected to make a full recovery.

He will probably be pissed at me for posting this but i don't care right now. My biggest concern is him and his health. I have been in contact with his son several times in recent days.

Does this explain why he didn't pay 5 months ago? Absolutely not and i cannot answer for that. I know what he and his family have gone through from the hurricanes to the many health issues he and his wife have had. No, that is not an excuse but it is reality.

I said i will wait until he is able to respond before i cast any judgement here and i stand by that statement.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:45 PM
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Thread should be locked... cats out of the bag.. nothing positive to be gained here!

Either Jack will respond to the forum or not. No need to slander a guy that isn't even here to defend himself. I have zero knowledge of what's going on in Jack's life. But, I could see what a dilemma many people would have, If your wife were to be grievously ill and your ability to continue to pay for treatment were compromised. I would hate to have to tell all of my "cyber" buddies that, family comes first. I feel bad for those that are out the money.. but, let's hold up on the bashing for a bit.
Locked? What does thats solve? The OP is owed money and looking for answers in what seems like a very reasonable and non-bashing manner, imo. Is he not just simply inquiring about this, and seeing if there are others? And doing this on the actual forum where this occurred, and voicing all of this to the forum owner who is the one who owes. He isn't here to defend himself? They are posting on HIS open forum.

If my wife was ill, I would still pay my debts. Family generally comes first, but not over everything. Don't have to pay debts? What? Oh... my wife's sick, or another family crisis, I can steal this from the grocery store today too?? That excuse doesn't add up to me. Not talking about this situation, but just in general.

Hope everything ok with Jack's family. I think everybody does, including OP. Jacks a good guy and good forum, but I don't think OP was out of line at all, and was actually very reasonable with his inquiries, and wanting this out in the open for people who might join these contests in the future, so I don't agree with your above thoughts whatsoever.

But I was stiffed in the winter on a big bet (somewhere else), so maybe I have a different view on this. idk.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:47 PM
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The bashing is going to end. Hey red eye, you are owed nothing so you do not fall in to the victim or roll call responses. I'm done with your thoughts and your comedy routine.

If others are owed, go ahead and post. If you want to have a civil conversation, have at it. If you are in here to pile on and be nothing but an asshole, get the fuck out.

I have no interest in closing this thread or stopping people from posting but i will make sure the bullshit ends. If you made your point, great, move on.

Jack had a heart attack 5 days ago. He probably doesn't even want me posting this but i'm fuckin sick of seeing him get the shit bashed out of him for not responding to this thread. I said in a previous post that he was not able to respond right now but he will as soon as he can. That is because he is still in the hospital and the doctors do not want him having his phone or anything else that may cause him stress right now. He is expected to make a full recovery.

He will probably be pissed at me for posting this but i don't care right now. My biggest concern is him and his health. I have been in contact with his son several times in recent days.

Does this explain why he didn't pay 5 months ago? Absolutely not and i cannot answer for that. I know what he and his family have gone through from the hurricanes to the many health issues he and his wife have had. No, that is not an excuse but it is reality.

I said i will wait until he is able to respond before i cast any judgement here and i stand by that statement.
Man, that sucks. Hope he recovers fully!
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:08 PM
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Hey red eye, get the fuck out. Yes I banned you from the thread
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:14 PM
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:17 PM
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Thread should be locked... cats out of the bag.. nothing positive to be gained here!

Either Jack will respond to the forum or not. No need to slander a guy that isn't even here to defend himself. I have zero knowledge of what's going on in Jack's life. But, I could see what a dilemma many people would have, If your wife were to be grievously ill and your ability to continue to pay for treatment were compromised. I would hate to have to tell all of my "cyber" buddies that, family comes first. I feel bad for those that are out the money.. but, let's hold up on the bashing for a bit.
Thread definitely should not be locked. It took some rocks hitting the quiet pond to either make more people aware of the situation or at least publicly comment about it here.
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:26 PM
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Hey red eye, get the fuck out. Yes I banned you from the thread
Since you booted Redeye, why don't you post the other reason(s) Jack has given me, likely you too, and probably others for the slow pay that has lasted this much time? The reasons he has given are legitimate if true, but I really think the forum needs to know regardless.

Jack last sent me a private message on May 8th during the evening.
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:29 PM
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He was last here on the 8th. You can see that in his profile. He has given me no excuses because I didn't ask or know about any of this, but I said that already.
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:39 PM
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Jack has always kept his availability pretty close to the vest. I have personally not spoken to him in years. I have had other contact.

However, he built something that I am not ready to see be destroyed by people without a dog in the fight. If your not owed money do not get into the thread with negativity.

If your owed and have not been paid in the specified time frame, then fine you have a right to stake your claim.

I know several of us mods have sent messages to Jack in the way or ways we may have. I also do not know what is going on with him financially, but personally I know he has been through hell the past year.

Give the man a chance

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Old 05-14-2019, 06:51 PM
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Never had an issue with Jack paying up contest wins with prizes ever. I’ve even dealt with him for other things outside of the forums as well with no issues EVER.

I’m sure he will make it good, at least I’d hope anyways. I know he’s been through a shit ton the last few years
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Old 05-14-2019, 07:46 PM
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I just want to wish dr jack a speedy and complete recovery. He has never asked or expected much from me in my 13 years here. I chose to make this my home forum and be loyal to him and don't post anywhere else. I wouldn't say i'm his favorite member here but he's done some things for me that just knowing someone over the internet people don't do. I don't know anything about why people haven't been paid from last football season so i'm going to leave that alone other than saying i do hope those that are owed money will be paid in full asap.
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:05 PM
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Old 05-15-2019, 01:05 AM
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Another thing that should reflect Jack's character is these have always been no rake contests and on top of that Jack has paid out of pocket when members have stiffed or tried to free roll at the start of a contest. I know this for a fact.

This isn't some guy who is trying to hustle or pull a fast one. Something had to have went wrong and Im certain he will make right. Its just the kind of guy he is.

Its a bad situation for sure but I believe it will end with every last person getting their money. Just got to have patience.

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Old 05-15-2019, 02:36 AM
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Pimp that's a great post and yes Jack has been very generous about these being no rake contests. Not something I agreed with and especially pisses me off knowing people free rolled him...I've always maintained a belief that the best policy is 100% adherence to contest deadlines. Jack has been burned because he has operated differently.

Redeye also firmly believes in contests strictly adhering to deadlines and transparency. He's catching a lot of heat here, but he is a good man and wants Jack to be well again. He shouldn't be banned from any forum activity wanting to involve open discussion. He isn't ever going to back down, but he's a winning bettor and a long time grinder, who has been earning a living from sports wagering.

Saying all of this I'm going to lighten up and resume assuming as I have for several months, that Jack gets well and eventually is going to make this all right.

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Old 05-15-2019, 08:42 AM
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Just a couple of things, 1st Red Eye hasn't posted in here since 2017 and now wants to crawl out back in to talk shit about a situation that has nothing to do with him. Fuck him. Take your contest whore ass back back where you were. 2nd same goes for Roofie. I appreciate your info on bitcoin and have made some good money following your lead but get back in your crypto closet. No reason for you to be in here in the middle of something you know nothing about. You like Red Eye haven't posted anything other than bitcoin shit here. At least unlike Red Eye you contribute something to the forum so get back to what you do best and stop talking shit about a guy you know nothing about.

Godspeed Jack. Thoughts and prayers are with you and your wife.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:41 PM
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He's catching a lot of heat here, but he is a good man and wants Jack to be well again. He shouldn't be banned from any forum activity wanting to involve open discussion..
Make sure you review post #28

This should answer why he is catching heat and why he is not here "actively wanting to involve open discussion"

Add the few "clever" replies from post #28 and the fact he has no dog in the fight..........
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:01 PM
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I read it a few times yesterday Satchel. However, you probably should read this post and then reconsider the no dog in the fight idea further. Everybody at this forum, whether or not currently owed, should be alarmed and disappointed.

Redeye probably realizes now that it was too dramatic for this thread. However, since he has been banned from replying in this thread, I don't think it's necessary or appropriate to further bash him. The whole "contest whore" label is foolish and again steering the thread's intended topic. He enters the Westgate Super Contest every year. He's betting every day and grinding out a living doing it. He has posted up funds here and participated. He recognized the bullshit involving the multiple person slow pay happening here and posted his displeasure about it.

These forums' always should maintain a watchdog element. A lot of you are focusing on what was and what has been here for many years. With this thread, I intended to focus more so upon what is and right now.

It reminds me of an old piece of wisdom I heard many moons ago..."It isn't that we don't know what causes the trouble; it's what we think we know that just ain't so."

For many years, having funds posted up with Jack was equal to having cash in your own pocket. That currently just ain't so.

Jack right now owes several posters here, including myself, who earned money spots in various post up contests several months ago.

Contest funds we sent to Jack either by Pay Pal, wire, cash, or money orders using snail mail, were expected to be safeguarded until contests were completed, winners determined, and then paid accordingly. It appears obvious to me that contest funds were not properly safeguarded. I do also believe the contest funds were mixed with his personal funds. We can imagine too many bad scenarios to speculate specifically what happened.

I do believe overall Jack is a good man who has went thru an awful string of bad events that I wouldn't ever wish upon anybody. However, even his credibility now has to suffer somewhat from this, along with the integrity of contests moving forward. That's why I quit focusing on doing what probably was best to ensure eventually being paid (keeping my mouth shut) and more so along the board's watchdog element and informing posters about the situation.

When Jack initially told me in February he wasn't going to be able to pay until the end of March or April, I advised him that I would take a later place in the payee line because I've enjoyed these contests so much that I wanted to do my part to maintain his site's credibility. I've helped grow these contests. The $500 big survivor pool was an idea I presented to Jack. He was skeptical, but agreed to offer it and people joined.

Because I respect Jack and his track record, and I know his wife has been very ill for at least a year and a half, I agreed to remain quiet about the ongoing slow pay...for a while.

Jack's communication since early January has been at best sporadic and spiraling my thoughts about this further downward. He hasn't one time initiated any of the private messages we've exchanged this year. He waited nearly 6 weeks to reply during one of our exchanges...during March Madness. That's when I probably should have created this thread.

The contest threads were taken down much earlier this year than past years. Was that an attempt to keep a lid on the slow pays Jack knew were imminent? Of course we'll never know the real answer, but I deemed it as another red flag then and now. Also, per several mods here, he hasn't mentioned anything to them about owing several posters money since at least early January.
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