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Old 01-27-2021, 05:00 PM
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Reddit and GameStop

Wild stuff


Who's the monster and who's the hero, in this case, depends entirely on your perspective.


On one side you have a band of mostly young day traders who coordinate on Reddit to drive up the share price of struggling companies, including GameStop (GME), but also BlackBerry (BB), Macy's (M) and AMC (AMC). At least one Reddit user posted that he'd paid off thousands of dollars in student loans with his GameStop gains.

On the other you have hedge funds and short-sellers — those who've placed bets that a company's stock will crash. These are Wall Street elite, the sort of investors millions of people rely on to make the smart decisions that boost their portfolios. But they're detested by many Millennials and Gen Zers for creating a house-of-cards financial system that led to the 2008 crisis.
We're now, potentially, at the climax of this movie: GameStop is up more than 1,700% since the start of January. Some trading platforms, including TD Ameritrade and Robinhood, are restricting trades on AMC and GameStop. The SEC and the White House on Wednesday both said they were monitoring the situation.


Why GameStop?

The popular Reddit page WallStreetBets is fond of targeting short-sellers. If you've ever played craps, these are the guys betting against the table, and their tactics, while often lucrative, have burnished their reputation as bloodsuckers and other, unpublishable, names. (More on that later.)
It's not hard to understand why someone would short GameStop, however. The company is expected to lose money this year and next. Sales growth is sluggish because gamers no longer need to go to the mall to buy games or consoles. That said, some investors have argued that GameStop was seriously undervalued, especially when video games have become staples of the stay-at-home pandemic era.

The GameStop stock surge began for a legitimate reason: The company announced on January 11 it had added three new directors to its board, including Chewy co-founder Ryan Cohen. Investors liked that Cohen brought digital experience to the table, something the largely brick-and-mortar GameStop desperately needs, as video games go digital and malls continue their unending slump into irrelevance.

GameStop's stock rose a little less than 13% that day. But this wasn't a normal, momentary stock surge. Two days later, it rose 57%. Then 27%. The next week, it surged 10% twice and 51% another day. This week, it rose another 18% then 93% and more than doubled today.

The reason is two-fold, both of which are far removed from anything related to the company's fundamental strength: Investors following the Reddit group bought a ton of GameStop options, and short-sellers had to buy shares to cover their losing bids.

On Wednesday, while all three major stock indexes tumbled, GameStop finished up a mind-boggling 134%.

For perspective: One year ago, a single share cost about $4. It's now $200.



Not just GameStop

A similar story was playing out with shares of AMC, the movie theater chain that's been devastated by the pandemic.

Shares of the new WSB plaything were up more than 200% Wednesday after members of the Reddit board and investors on Robinhood were touting the stock. The hashtag #SaveAMC was trending on Twitter.

Both AMC and GameStop spiked so rapidly Wednesday they triggered automatic halts designed to protect against volatility.



Why is this happening now?

The way people trade stocks has been upended by the rise of no-fee apps like Robinhood. That technology has democratized investing, giving armchair investors far removed from traditional banks free access to sophisticated trading instruments, like options.

You could pay an analyst to tell you what stocks to buy, or you could create a Reddit account and follow forums like WallStreetBets. Millions of young people are opting for the latter, which is partly why the sudden surges in GameStop and AMC have caught Wall Street veterans by surprise.




For those not familiar .....

Options are bets investors place on a stock, allowing them to buy (a "call" option) or sell (a "put" option) at a particular price. That allows people to wager on whether a stock will rise or fall.

Investors can place relatively inexpensive options bets and sell those options as they rise in value when the stock price gets closer to their wager. Although buying and selling options isn't the same as buying and selling stocks, big options volumes can drive a stock up or down, typically because options traders buy or sell the stock itself as a hedge.

In the case of GameStop and other stocks targeted by WSB, traders keep buying options, forcing the investors selling those options to hedge their bets by buying up GameStop stock.



Short-sellers are investors who bet that a stock is going to fall. They borrow shares to sell on the market with the promise to buy back those shares at a later date. If they win the bet, they sold high and bought low, and they walk away with money in the bank.

If they lose the bet, that's called a short-squeeze, and they often hedge their losses by buying more shares of the company they bet against.

Short interest in GameStop surged toward the end of the year, as investors bet against the company's earnings potential. With a mega short-squeeze taking place, short-sellers began to hedge their bets, buying more stock to make up for their mounting losses.



Fueling the fire

WallStreetBets, which has more than 2 million followers, is littered with posts cheering the stock gains and no small amount of righteous indignation.

"What I think is happening is that you guys are making such an impact that these fat cats are worried that they have to get up and put in work to earn a living," a moderator in the group posted this week."That fuzzy sensation you are feeling is called RESPECT and it is well earned. Wall Street no longer dismisses your presence anymore."

Elon Musk appeared to join the pile-on Tuesday with a single-word tweet — "Gamestonk!!" — that linked to WallStreetBets. Tech investor Chamath Palihapitiya dipped his toe in the frenzy, buying call options on Tuesday but closing his position Wednesday, he told CNBC. Palihapitiya said he would donate his profits to charity and defended the retail-investing phenomenon playing out on Reddit.

"Instead of having 'idea dinners' or quiet whispered conversations amongst hedge funds in the Hamptons, these kids have the courage to do it transparently in a forum," he said. "What it proves is this retail [investor] phenomenon is here to stay."



Isn't this a bubble?

It sure is.

There's an argument that GameStop was undervalued, but hardly anyone believes that GameStop, BlackBerry, Macy's, AMC, or any of the other companies that WSB is promoting have fundamentals to support these surging stock prices. At some point, reality has to set in.

But that's the problem with bubbles — get out too early, and you lose at a chance to cash out on top. So GameStop keeps surging ... until it won't anymore.

The GameStop saga is a battle of new school vs. old school, amateur vs. professional, rebels vs. the establishment.

At the moment, the kids are winning. But, like all bubbles, this one's going to burst at some point.
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Old 01-27-2021, 05:25 PM
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At the end of last week, GameStop had a market cap under $4 billion

Now at $24 Billion market cap

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Old 01-27-2021, 05:34 PM
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Old 01-27-2021, 06:06 PM
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15 minutes ago WSB went private ... now it has been taken down

When they manipulate the markets it's fine, but when the short sellers use the same tactics against them it's not OK. Gotcha.







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DISCORD:

"The server has been on our Trust & Safety team’s radar for some time due to occasional content that violates our Community Guidelines, including hate speech, glorifying violence, and spreading misinformation."

"Over the past few months, we have issued multiple warnings to the server admin. Today, we decided to remove the server and its owner from Discord for continuing to allow hateful and discriminatory content after repeated warnings."

"To be clear, we did not ban this server due to financial fraud related to GameStop or other stocks."



So, just a "coincidence"

LOL, yea, OK
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Old 01-27-2021, 06:28 PM
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NBC News:

Short-sellers lost $14.3 billion today alone on GameStop stock, according to S3 Partners
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This is my one and only post about this subject in this thread / room because it doesn't belong in the stocks discussion ... but it needs to be pointed out ...

MSM has already blamed this on Trumpism and white supremacy ...








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Old 01-28-2021, 05:32 AM
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Old 01-28-2021, 08:09 AM
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Robinhood is now locking out traders from GameStop, AMC, Nokia, Naked Brands and others. Literally going against their own namesake by siding with the hedge funds / regulators to castrate the meme stock trades.
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Old 01-28-2021, 08:31 AM
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Interactive Brokers has joined Robinhood and has put option trading in some names into liquidation.


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“As of midday yesterday, (1/27/2021) Interactive Brokers has put AMC, BB, EXPR, GME, and KOSS option trading into liquidation only due to the extraordinary volatility in the markets. In addition, long stock positions will require 100% margin and short stock positions will require 300% margin until further notice. We do not believe this situation will subside until the exchanges and regulators halt or put certain symbols into liquidation only. We will continue to monitor market conditions and may add or remove symbols as may be warranted.”
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Old 01-28-2021, 08:59 AM
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TD Ameritrade / Schwab / Webull / Interactive Brokers and others all having issues (running extremely slow or all fucked up)


"having issues" = Citadel said slow them down
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Why would the SEC try to halt free enterprise? It doesnt make any sense? I thought it's within everyone's rights to own and buy items (in this case stocks) as they please.
Site like Ameritrade, or Robinhood placing restrictions doesn't make any sense. Is that not what wall street is all about, selling stocks to buyers.

And if or how could you investigate "collusion" especially if the buyers are coming from multiple locations. Why would the SEC be scared of these transactions. It is an open forum from where people are discussing.

I see it as people have money due to lots of places closing due to COVID, and so they want to invest. And now wall street doesn't want this investment to happen. How backwards is that? Isn't that how Amazon or Apple made their shares rise?
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GME

217.00

-130.51 (37.56%)

11:07 am est
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Billionaire hedge fund manager Leon Cooperman:

“The reason the market is doing what it’s doing is people are sitting at home getting their checks from the government. This ‘fair share’ is a bullshit concept and is just a way to attack wealthy people.”



"This Fair Share Is a Bullsh*t Concept" - Hedge Fund Billionaire Shows His Ass on Live TV - Blames Poor People for Stock Market Mess (VIDEO)
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Robinhood literally auto sold people's positions at the bottom.





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TD Ameritrade / Schwab / Webull / Interactive Brokers and others all having issues (running extremely slow or all fucked up)


"having issues" = Citadel said slow them down
funny thing about Citadel...

Janet Yellen Raked in $7.2M from Wall Street, Corporations Since 2019

"President-elect Joe Biden’s nominee to head the Treasury Department, Janet Yellen, raked in millions from Wall Street firms and multinational corporations for “speaking fees” over just the past two years, financial disclosure reports reveal.

Yellen, former Federal Reserve chair for President Barack Obama, took nearly $1 million to give nine speeches to Citibank — which is one of the largest banks in the United States. Likewise, Yellen accepted more than $800,000 from the hedge fund Citadel."

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I said in an earlier post I wasn't involving politics into this .... but this is all political driven


Yellen’s millions in speaking fees from Wall Street



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