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Exclamation Preakness Betting Info

Country House out of Preakness, per Mott, who said he's coughing, "acting like he's going to get sick"
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Old 05-07-2019, 11:33 AM
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As of the moment, these are the ONLY horses from the Derby running in the Preakness ...


Improbable (4th in Derby)
War of Will (7th)
Bodexpress (13th)
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Old 05-07-2019, 11:39 AM
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Before the news broke, initial odds from US Racing made Country House the second favorite in the race at 3-1 odds, behind only Code of Honor (5-2)

This marks the first time since 1996 that the Derby winner will not participate in the Preakness

Grindstone (1996)
Spend a Buck (1985)
Gato Del Sol (1982)
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Old 05-08-2019, 12:18 PM
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Horses that are expected to be in the field

Field Subject to Change


Improbable 3/1
War of Will 4/1
Alwaysmining 6/1
Bourbon War 6/1
Mr Money 8/1
Owendale 8/1
Anothertwistafate 10/1
Laughing Fox 10/1
Signalman 14/1
Bodexpress 16/1
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:48 PM
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War of Will +300
Improbable +200
Anothertwistafate +800
Mr Money +1000
Alwaysmining +800
Signalman +1400
Owendale +1200
Bourbon War +800
Laughing Fox +2000
Bodexpress +1600
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Old 05-09-2019, 09:01 AM
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Mr. Money will not run in the Preakness. There is a possibility that Win Win Win may run in the Preakness
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:05 PM
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Add D. Wayne Lukas trained Market King to the field

3rd Rebel ... 11th Blue Grass
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Old 05-14-2019, 01:37 PM
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Hammerin Hank is high on Alwaysmining at 8-1

Alwaysmining comes into the Preakness on a six-race win streak, including a dominating 12-length victory at the Tesio Stakes. His training times so far rank second among all horses in the field.

"I think he finishes in the money"
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Old 05-15-2019, 12:26 PM
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Brad Kelley's Calumet Farms' Everfast was announced May 15 as a starter in the May 18 second leg of the Triple Crown, bringing the expected number of probable entrants to 13 and making it the largest Preakness field since 2011 when 14 broke from the gate at Pimlico Race Course.
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As if the absence of the Kentucky Derby winner(s) did not make this weekend’s Preakness Stakes odd, consider everything else that makes it downright weird.


Improbable (5-2), ideally drawn Wednesday afternoon at Baltimore into post position 4, is the morning-line favorite despite being winless as a 3-year-old. The last time that happened at the Preakness was 1995, when Timber Country started 9-5 at post time. And won.


Yes, Bob Baffert trains Improbable. And Baffert has won the Preakness a record-tying seven times, going 5-for-5 with Derby winners. But with horses that were not bringing in two-week-old roses, Baffert is a more mortal at 2-for-14. Not counting Dortmund’s loss to stable mate American Pharoah four years ago, Baffert is 0-for-5 with non-Derby winners since Lookin At Lucky won for him in 2010.


Of the 13 horses that are in the field for Saturday’s 144th renewal of what is now a $1.65 million race, four splashed their way through the Kentucky Derby. Improbable finished fifth but was promoted to fourth because of first-place Maximum Security’s disqualification. The last time that the Preakness went without any Derby horses that finished in the money was 1951, when the best Derby finisher in the field was ninth-place Hall Of Fame. He finished fifth as a coupled Preakness favorite.


“He came out of the (Derby) in good shape,” Baffert’s assistant Jimmy Barnes said about Improbable. “It was horrible conditions. The track was just a sloppy mess. Maybe he needed to be a little closer. He just got behind horses and was getting hit with a lot of dirt. But that race is behind us now.”


War Of Will (4-1), the horse that took the most punishment when Maximum Security cut off trailing traffic 11 days ago, got the rail draw at Pimlico as he also did at Churchill Downs. He faded to eighth but was promoted to seventh in the Derby.


Win Win Win (15-1), 10th to ninth in the Derby, drew the outside gate. Bodexpress (20-1), promoted from 14th to 13th in the Derby, drew 9 as he bids to become the first horse to break his maiden in the Preakness since Refund in 1888.That was the last time trainer R. Wyndham Walden won the race, giving him a seventh victory that Baffert tied last year with Justify.


New shooters – horses that did not race in the Derby – have won the Preakness only four times since 1984. They came up short the last two times the Derby winner was absent. Alwaysmining (8-1), drawn into post 7, is the most highly regarded of them this year. He has won six races in a row by an average of six lengths, all in Maryland.


“He’s very easy going,” said Kelly Rubley, who is trying to become the first woman to train a Preakness winner. “He takes everything in stride. Sadly, I cannot take any credit for that.”


Alwaysmining’s winning streak includes an 11-length victory in last month’s Federico Tesio, the traditional Preakness prep. The last horse to pull off the Tesio-Preakness double was Deputed Testamony in 1983, back when the Tesio was still run at Pimlico – and the year before the shooters’ recent dry spell began in the Preakness.
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After wet weather hit three of the last four runnings of the Preakness, the National Weather Service forecasts a partly sunny day Saturday at Pimlico with a high of 77

Post time is scheduled for 6:48 p.m. EDT with the race to be televised on NBC.
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Is this the worst Preakness field of all time?
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:19 PM
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Is this the worst Preakness field of all time?
Can’t answer that but I think from a gamblers outlook, it is a very good betting race with a 13 horse field. Improbable making 3rd start in 5 weeks is a lot to ask and I think a very vulnerable favorite. War of Will will use his speed again from the rail and try to run a similar race he ran in Derby. If no one can get in front of him like Maximum Security did, he could go gate to wire if the Derby didn’t take too much out of him. But there is a ton of speed and fresh horses in here that could set it up for a closer. Bourbon War and Owendale look as the best prospects in that scenario. Personally, I think Signalman is sitting on a big race and is my upset pick here.
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:25 AM
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Bob Baffert has started ten horses in the Preakness that didn’t win the Derby. Only two won the Preakness – beaten Derby favorites Point Given and Lookin at Lucky. This year's beaten Derby favorite – Baffert’s Improbable.


In the last six years at the Preakness, ten of the 18 horses to finish in the trifecta were at least 9-1 and six were at least 15-1.


The 3rd choice in the wagering hasn’t won the Preakness since Silver Charm in 1997. And only one of the last nine horses to be the third choice in the wagering has finished in the trifecta. Last year the trendy Quip finished last as the 3rd choice.


Think it’s as easy as Improbable over War of Will for the exacta? Think again. The last time the favorite won and the 2nd choice ran second in the Preakness was 1981 when favored Pleasant Colony won and 2nd choice Bold Ego ran second.


Mark Hennig (Bourbon War) has had four starters in the Triple Crown. All four finished either third or fourth.


Ken McPeek (Signalman) has had four starters hit the board in a Triple Crown race. Three of the four, including Senior Investment in the 2017 Preakness, were at least 20-1. Signalman is 30-1 on the ML.
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D. Wayne Lukas threw a curveball into the Preakness Stakes. Actually, it is more like a four-seam fastball.


The Hall of Fame trainer with a record 14 victories in Triple Crown races tossed the long shot Market King into the mix. In so doing he has injected a serious pacesetter that could offer the sort of blazing early speed that was missing from the Kentucky Derby.

“It’s a real competitive field, but I think it’s a doable deal,” Lukas told the Pimlico media-relations team this week. “You can’t mail it in. You’ve got to go around there.”

Lukas, 83, and jockey Jon Court, 58, are in position to be the oldest trainer and jockey to win a U.S. classic. Lukas was a teenager and Court was not even born in 1951, the last time that the Preakness did not have any horse that hit the board in the Kentucky Derby.

Without disputed Derby winners Maximum Security or Country House to kick them around, Lukas and Court will try to score Saturday with a colt that six weeks ago finished a tiring 11th in the Blue Grass Stakes. Then as now Market King brings one clear strategy. Get out of the gate, quickly get to the front, set the pace and lead from gate to wire.

But Market King will not be alone, and maybe that is the diabolical angle to Lukas dropping a maiden winner into the race. Allowance winner Warrior’s Charge was already in, and since he, too, will be surging out of the gate looking for the early lead, it was as if Lukas had a message for Warrior’s Charge’s trainer Brad Cox – I’ll see your speed and raise you mine.

“He’ll be forwardly placed; that’s what we’re hoping for,” Cox said. “If he can get the right trip and back things down, not necessarily on the lead, that’s OK. His (speed) figures stack up with these horses. That’s why we’re looking at this.”

Which leads to what might be Cox’s own diabolical scheme. He also has Owendale representing his stable in the race, and the Lexington Stakes winner would be well-served chasing an honest pace. So in spite of the $150,000 supplement fee that owners led by economics professor Marshall Gramm paid to get him into the Preakness, could Warrior’s Charge yet be a rabbit for Owendale?

“He’s not a rabbit,” Cox said. “These guys are putting up a good amount of money to give him this opportunity. They feel like that with the right pace set-up, he’s got a shot in here, and I do, too.”

Even without Market King and Warrior’s Charge, the Preakness was going to be full of horses comfortable being close to the lead. Local favorite and Federico Tesio winner Alwaysmining, Lexington runner-up Anothertwistafate and maiden cum Kentucky Derby also-ran Bodexpress also figure to fit the cliché “forwardly placed.”

But now, with Market King and Warrior’s Charge, do not expect early fractions as slow as the 23.11 and 47.19 that Justify set last year on his way to a gate-to-wire win.

Which brings up the bogus, old saw about this race being kind to early speed – and the annual debunking of the two biggest myths about Pimlico. One is that it has tight turns supposedly made to order for speed horses. Although the course itself is narrower and the banking more pronounced, satellite images confirm that the radius of the two turns is almost exactly the same as it is at Churchill Downs.

The other myth is that Pimlico favors early speed. But in the 36 runnings of the Preakness since 1983, there have been only five gate-to-wire winners. Yes, they include three of the last six, but two of those – American Pharoah and Justify – were super horses. There is no such animal in this year’s race.

In truth Pimlico plays fair, even to closers. Six of the last 13 Preakness winners were at least 2½ lengths off the lead after three-quarters of a mile in the 9½-furlong race, most recently 2017, when Cloud Computing rallied in the stretch from three lengths back to win.

So if the presence of Market King and Warrior’s Charge translates to a hot, early pace, does this mean a closer is bound to win? Based on Quirin Speed Points, the only “S 0” horses in Saturday’s race are Laughing Fox, winner two weeks ago of the Oaklawn Park Invitational, and Win Win Win, 10th promoted to ninth in the Kentucky Derby.

Mid-pack horses like the favorite Improbable and Kentucky Jockey Club winner Signalman, both winless as 3-year-olds, would also benefit from fast fractions through the first three-quarters of a mile.

So is Lukas being foolhardy putting in a speed horse to try and go stride for stride with a de facto rabbit? Or is it more foolhardy to question what this Hall of Famer is up to as he tries for a record-tying seventh Preakness win?

“Last year we waltzed into town with a horse, I don’t know what they put him in the morning line,” Lukas said of Bravazo, who was set at 20-1. “He was one jump from beating Justify. It’s a horse race. You treat it like a horse race.”
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:21 PM
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Ed DeRosa (TwinSpires)


Here is the Preakness Stakes morning line, my projected off odds (Ed line), & my fair odds of the Preakness 144 field

War of Will most likely winner, but not a great bet. Bourbon War interesting above the 8-1 line, Bodexpress longshot flyer?



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Old 05-17-2019, 08:36 AM
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Wizard from DRF:

* Win & Place bet on (5) OWENDALE
* Smaller saver win bet on (2) BOURBON WAR (should be 10-1 or
higher which would make him a worthwhile saver win bet)

* Exacta box (2) BOURBON WAR, (4) IMPROBABLE & (5) OWENDALE
= $12 for a $2 wager

* Trifecta part wheel 2-4-5 over 1-2-3-4-5-7 over
1-2-3-4-5-7-8-9-11-12-13 = $67.50 for a $0.50 wager
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Market King is currently Sports Interaction’s number one liability at 25/1
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Moves on the openers in Preakness Stakes futures at Westgate


Alwaysmining from 8-1 to 7-1
Anothertwistafate from 7-1 to 8-1
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The Pimlico dirt is treating closers well when they charge down the middle of the track. And the rail seems to have 10-foot-pole marks on it from the riders avoiding it.
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Saturday update ...

The forecast calls for a high temperature right around 80 degrees with partly cloudy conditions. Given the lack of recent precipitation, the track should be dry and firm unless a pop-up shower moseys its way over Pimlico.

Starting around 5 p.m. ET, there’s between a 15% and 20% chance of rain. If a cell does indeed hit the track, it will likely last for only a brief while. However, some of the cells that do pop up could bring some downpours.

Considering how there’s only a 15%-20% chance of rain and only a portion of those storms will bring heavy rains, we’re talking about a 20-1 longshot that the track is doused with H2O right before the race, which will take place about 12 minutes before 7 p.m.

Expect dry conditions, but know that a muddy track isn’t entirely impossible. Either way, the track will certainly look nothing like Churchill Downs did a couple of weeks ago in what was a messy race in every sense of the word.
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5 wins today for Javier Castellano, including on favored Point Of Honor in the Black-Eyed Susan

He rides Warrior's Charge tomorrow in the Preakness
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