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Old 05-26-2020, 06:15 PM
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This isn’t gonna end well ...

Under MLB proposal to players, a player making $35M in 2020 would make about $7.8M ... A player making 10M would get about 2.9M and a player making a million would make $434,000
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Old 05-26-2020, 07:04 PM
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I understand there is a lot more negotiating ahead but with 40 million unemployed Americans right now, most don't want to hear billionaires and millionaires fighting right now.

This is embarrassing.
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Old 05-27-2020, 06:20 AM
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Oh my God! How can little Mike Trout live a year on only 8 million.
And its not like he can sell any of his WS rings!!

no baseball in 2020= no fans again in stands in 2021.
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Old 05-27-2020, 10:22 PM
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Max Scherzer a few minutes ago ...




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Old 05-27-2020, 10:34 PM
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Keep in mind that Scherzer is part of the 8-player executive subcommittee for the MLBPA
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Old 05-28-2020, 12:49 AM
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The Major League Baseball Players Association expects to counter MLB's economic proposal by the end of this week with a plan that includes more than 100 games and a guarantee of full prorated salaries for the 2020 season.


The disagreement over economics has ratcheted up in recent days after the league's first proposal Tuesday rankled players. On multiple phone calls Wednesday, players essentially pledged to ignore the league's proposal and offer instead one of their own.

The union's desire to play more games could ultimately be used as a chip for a negotiation to reach a return-to-play deal. For now, however, if players are being paid on a prorated basis, more games would lead to a greater salary for the players. The league has balked at a longer schedule, fearful that a potential second wave of the coronavirus could wipe out the postseason and the lucrative national television money that goes along with it.

In a presentation to players, MLB said it would lose significant amounts of money if games are played in 2020 and players receive their full pro rata salary. The union has held firm that a March 27 agreement between the parties ensures them their prorated share, while the league believes language in the agreement calls for a good-faith negotiation in the event that games are played in empty stadiums.

The union remains skeptical of the data the league shared that showed significant losses across the sport, and recently submitted additional document requests to the league in search of information about local television revenue, national television revenue, sponsorship revenue and projections from teams.

MLB has proposed playing in front of no fans in games starting the first week in July, though that timeline could be pushed back if labor discussions stretch on and preclude spring training 2.0 starting in mid-June.
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Old 05-28-2020, 09:51 AM
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That sure seems like a extremely low ball offer. Not sure how serious the owners are taking it with an offer like that.
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Old 05-28-2020, 10:38 AM
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Not sure what the offer should be but the players HAVE TO take a sizeable pay cut for this to work. They want pro rated contracts to basically pay them their per game pay times the games they play.

It cannot happen. There will be a ton of money lost in ticket sales, a ton of money lost in merchandise and a ton of money lost in food sales at stadiums, like $9 beers and $6 hot dogs. The owners cannot and should not have to absorb that by themself. The players need to understand that and budge a little too and it seems like they have very little interest in that.
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Old 05-28-2020, 12:22 PM
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Yes -500
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Old 05-28-2020, 04:12 PM
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Meanwhile, down on the farm, hundreds of minor league players were cut today and lost their jobs ... Hundreds more will be released over the next week.

According to Jeff Passan, upward of 1,000 players could see their baseball careers end.
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Old 05-29-2020, 01:41 PM
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I call b******* what the owners are trying to do get the top tier level players to take a 50% pay cut meaning if you look at it that way these 1 2 3 year players will be making more that's total b******* and then you did what they announced today that they're going to be cutting 1,000 minor league players that's telling me more than enough that I already know that I'm not going to have Minor League Baseball to work this year

And add that to the fact that each major league team will be allowed to come up with a 25-man practice squad consisting of players from the minor leagues thank God I file for unemployment
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Old 05-31-2020, 09:17 PM
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The MLBPA delivered a proposal to MLB on Sunday afternoon, It includes 114-game season that would end October 31, the right to opt out of the season for all players and potential deferral of salaries if 2020 the postseason were canceled.

For the players opting out: those who are considered "high-risk" would receive salary, whereas others would receive service time only.

Further, players would receive $100 million total advance during the new spring training.

Also: MLBPA proposes two years of playoff expansion.
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Old 06-01-2020, 04:26 PM
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Major League Baseball intends to propose a shorter season in which they would pay players a full prorated share of their salaries. The league believes the late March agreement allows it to set the schedule, and that this would fulfill players’ pro rata desire.

The potential season Major League Baseball envisions would run somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 regular-season games.

The exact number is being considered, but the aim would be to return in July. It would be less than half of players’ proposed season length.
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Old 06-03-2020, 11:20 PM
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Will there be an MLB regular season?

Yes -500
No +300
I generally still think there will be a season

But at +300 I would take a little NO
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Old 06-04-2020, 07:45 PM
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In an MLBPA board meeting today, the executive council/player representatives remained steadfast in turning down any further salary reductions.

Said MLBPA executive director Tony Clark in a statement: "The league’s demand for additional concessions was resoundingly rejected."
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Old 06-04-2020, 07:54 PM
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Tony Clark's full statement after the MLBPA's leadership meeting today




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Old 06-07-2020, 07:57 AM
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Starting to think these guys really are stupid enough to not have a season
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Old 06-07-2020, 12:23 PM
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there better not be a 2021 season either if they ate that stupid.

0 fans in the stands in 2020=0 fans in the stands next year
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Old 06-08-2020, 03:28 PM
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Here's how to understand MLB's current offer to the players as compared to its last offer and the possibility of a 48-game season.


Original offer: 82 games, players receive $1.03B in salary and $200M if playoffs are played.

Current offer: 76 games, players receive $989M in salary and $443M if playoffs are played, plus no direct draft-pick compensation.

48-game option: $1.03B in salary, no playoff money


The structure of the league’s last two offers are the same: a 50% cut on prorated salary, plus a playoff bonus. This one, bonus doubled, and with a $50M playoff pool to be distributed to players, it would take them in total to ~75% of prorated salaries if postseason is played.


Players see it like they’re getting less guaranteed, which they are. The expanded playoff pool adds higher potential upside, and the dropping of direct draft-pick compensation unquestionably helps some of the best free agents. But players have held firm on 100% prorated salaries.


Every day that goes by without an agreement, the length of the season drops. And after hearing from players already about this proposal, the prospect of a 48-game season is looking likelier. They've been asked to respond by Wednesday, according to sources.


One high-ranking official today said, in no uncertain terms: “There will be baseball.” The question is: Will it be with the sides agreeing to a deal or with the league implementing a 48-game schedule, no expanded playoffs and almost certainly a grievance filed by the union?
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Old 06-08-2020, 04:39 PM
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MLB’s proposal today to the players. Here are the pertinent details:

- 76-game season
- $1,431,716,000 in potential compensation (75% of the full prorated salary of $1,909,436 over 76 games)
- Up to 8 playoff teams per league (at MLB’s discretion)


- No qualifying offer for 2020. Teams that lose free agents receive draft pick for players who sign multiyear deals at $35M+ or one-year deals at $17.8M+. Teams that sign those FA do not lose draft picks
- Spring training 2.0 lasts 21+ days
- Season starts ~July 10, ends Sept. 27


Salary breakdown to get to the $1.431 billion number:

- 50% of prorated salaries over 76 games: $954,718,000
- Payment to players if postseason happens: $393,000,000
- Bonus pool for postseason teams to split up: $50,000,000
- Forgiveness on $170M advance: $33,998,000


- Players deemed "high risk individuals" can opt out of the 2020 season and retain their salaries and service time. Players not deemed high risk would receive neither salary nor service.


Who are high-risk individuals? From MLB COVID-19 manual: "Some individuals may be more likely to suffer severe illness as a result of COVID-19 than others. ... Individuals who, by virtue of their age or medical history, are at a materially higher risk ... of complications."
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Old 06-09-2020, 06:59 PM
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The MLBPA is making a proposal to MLB for a season of 89 games with a full prorated share of salary and expanded playoffs.

It would bring the sides closer to a potential deal and is ~25 games under the last union offer.
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Old 06-09-2020, 07:01 PM
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The 89 game season proposed by players would start on July 10 and end on Oct. 11 ... Includes expanded postseason for 2020 AND 2021.
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Old 06-09-2020, 07:33 PM
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MLB will reject this offer from the union, but it takes the sides much closer to a likely number of games. As hard-and-fast as the MLBPA is on full pro rata, though, the league is entrenched in ending the season Sept. 27.

TV networks don’t want to move playoff games.
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Old 06-10-2020, 05:09 PM
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MLB commissioner Rob Manfred:

The league will make a new proposal to the MLBPA after receiving the union's 89-game proposal last night. He said it will be a "significant move in the players' direction" but "if we have to we'll exercise that right" to set a 48-game season.


Rob Manfred:

"I'll tell you unequivocally: We will play Major League Baseball this year."
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Old 06-12-2020, 02:37 PM
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The MLBPA receives formal proposal from MLB on 72-game season starting July 14, with 80% guarantee of their prorated salaries with a postseason, 70% with no postseason.

Also, 29-man rosters for the first month. Players also have opt-out.

The MLB proposal provides players $1.5 billion in total compensation if there's a postseason, $1.27 billion during regular season, an increase of $300 million from their Monday proposal.

The deadline for an agreement to play 72 games is Sunday night.
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