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MLB, union discuss playing all games in Arizona

Putting all 30 teams in the Phoenix area and playing in empty ballparks was among the ideas discussed Monday by Major League Baseball and the players’ association.

The sides held a telephone call to talk about paths forward for a season. They spoke on condition of anonymity because no details were announced.

Ideas are still in the early stage, and the Arizona option would have many obstacles to overcome, the people said.

Half of the MLB clubs hold spring training in Arizona, the other half in Florida.

Arizona’s advantage is 10 spring training ballparks plus the Arizona Diamondbacks’ Chase Field all within about 50 miles. Florida’s spring training ballparks are spread by as much as 220 miles.

“It allows for immediacy of a schedule, where you might be able to begin it and televise it, provide Major League Baseball to America,” said Scott Boras, baseball’s most prominent agent. “I think players are willing to do what’s necessary because I think they understand the importance of baseball for their own livelihoods and for the interest of our country and providing a necessary product that gives all the people that are isolated enjoyment.”

“It gives them a sense of a return to some normalcy,” Boras added. “You talk to a psychologist about it and they say it’s it’s really good for a culture to have to have sport and to have a focus like that, where for a few hours a day they can take their minds off the difficult reality of the virus.”

Texas Rangers president of baseball operations Jon Daniels said MLB is examining different options and he didn’t want to speculate.

“But, obviously, we’d all love to find a way to play, provided we could do safely, and that would be the priority,” he said.

The players’ association would want to survey its members to determine whether they would support such a plan, one of the people said.

“You’re going to be largely separated from your families and you’re going to have to function in a very contained way. It’s not it’s not a normal life, this idea,” Boras said. “You’re going to have an identified group of people. You’re going to have a constantly tested group of people. And you’re going to have a very limited access of those people to the outside world so that you can assure a very uncontaminated league, if you will, to produce a product that is inspirational to our country.”
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The May return date depends on a number of concerns being allayed, and some officials believe a June opening day could be more realistic.

Most important would be a significant increase in available coronavirus tests with a quick turnaround time, which sources familiar with the plan believe will happen by early May and allow MLB's testing not to diminish access for the general public.

While health officials see MLB players as low-risk candidates for COVID-19-related issues because of their age and health, putting protocols in place to ensure the health and safety of older managers, coaches, umpires and other personnel would be paramount to the plan working.

There is hope among leadership on both sides that the combination of receiving paychecks for playing and baseball's return offering a respite to a nation beset by the devastation of COVID-19 would convince players to agree to the plan.

The hurdles go far beyond testing and players' fears of separating from their families. MLB and the MLBPA, sources said, expect to discuss this week the economics of the plan, in which the league would forgo the gate receipts that account for the largest proportion of its annual revenues that exceed $10 billion. The league could reap additional money by adding games to its national television portfolio, with networks likely to leap at live programming as other sports remain shuttered.

While the possibility of a player or staff member testing positive for coronavirus exists, even in a secured setting, officials do not believe that a positive test alone would necessarily be cause to quarantine an entire team or shut down the season, sources said. The plan could include teams carrying significantly expanded rosters to account for the possibility of players testing positive despite the isolation, as well as to counteract the heat in Phoenix, which could grow problematic during the summer, sources said. The allure of more players potentially receiving major league salaries and service time would appeal strongly to the union, according to sources.


Both sides acknowledge the uniqueness of the season would not be limited to stadium location or roster size. Among the possibilities that have been discussed among people from both sides, though not in the talks Monday, according to sources:

• Implementing an electronic strike zone to allow the plate umpire to maintain sufficient distance from the catcher and batter

• No mound visits from the catcher or pitching coach

• Seven-inning doubleheaders, which, with an earlier-than-expected start date, could allow baseball to come closer to a full 162-game season

• Regular use of on-field microphones by players, as an added bonus for TV viewers

• Sitting in the empty stands 6 feet apart -- the recommended social-distancing space -- instead of in a dugout


Each option, though far from certain, is likely to be bandied about in the coming days as the viability of the plan for everyone involved takes shape.

The money discussion would not just be between the league and players but among the teams, too. Because local television contracts vary significantly by market -- well over $100 million a year separate the top and bottom local TV deals -- those reliant on gate revenues could seek a one-year change to the revenue-sharing plan among the 30 teams.

The sides also would need to determine how many people would live inside the sport's so-called bubble alongside on-field and medical personnel, and whether it would include front-office officials, scouts, video personnel and media, among others, sources said.



As consequential and potentially tricky as some of the challenges may be, sources said the league and union are motivated to make the plan work because they realize the alternative may be worse for both sides: No baseball at all in 2020.
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"Players, coaching staffs and other essential personnel would be sequestered at local hotels, where they would live in relative isolation and travel only to and from the stadium"


That is completely insane.
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"Players, coaching staffs and other essential personnel would be sequestered at local hotels, where they would live in relative isolation and travel only to and from the stadium"


That is completely insane.
Millions of people are in relative isolation right now
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whats everyone hearing? Is this going to happen?
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More likely around June 15th. But I still don't see how the players are going to like playing in 105-115 degree heat in July and August its 100 degrees by 10am.
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theres talk of a similar plan involving arizona and florida
I dont see it happening
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Adding on to DW's above post ...


MLB considering Grapefruit and Cactus leagues


The plan would have all 30 teams returning to their spring training sites in Florida and Arizona, playing regular-season games only in those two states and without fans in an effort to reduce travel and minimize risks.

The divisions would be realigned based on the geography of their spring training homes.


Here's a look at one realignment structure:

GRAPEFRUIT LEAGUE

NORTH: New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, Toronto Blue Jays, Detroit Tigers, Pittsburgh Pirates.

SOUTH: Boston Red Sox, Minnesota Twins, Atlanta Braves, Tampa Bay Rays, Baltimore Orioles.

EAST: Washington Nationals, Houston Astros, New York Mets, St. Louis Cardinals, Miami Marlins.


CACTUS LEAGUE

NORTHEAST: Chicago Cubs, San Francisco Giants, Arizona Diamondbacks, Colorado Rockies, Oakland Athletics.

WEST: Los Angeles Dodgers, Chicago White Sox, Cincinnati Reds, Cleveland Indians, Los Angeles Angels.

NORTHWEST: Milwaukee Brewers, San Diego Padres, Seattle Mariners, Texas Rangers, Kansas City Royals.


The DH would likely be universally implemented as well.


There could still be division winners and wild-card winners, perhaps adding two more wild-card teams to each league, or a postseason tournament with all 30 teams.

The winner of the Cactus League in Arizona would play the winner of the Grapefruit League in Florida for the World Series championship, utilizing the domed stadiums in late November.
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MLB considering Grapefruit and Cactus leagues


The plan would have all 30 teams returning to their spring training sites in Florida and Arizona, playing regular-season games only in those two states and without fans in an effort to reduce travel and minimize risks.

The divisions would be realigned based on the geography of their spring training homes.


Here's a look at one realignment structure:

GRAPEFRUIT LEAGUE

NORTH: New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, Toronto Blue Jays, Detroit Tigers, Pittsburgh Pirates.

SOUTH: Boston Red Sox, Minnesota Twins, Atlanta Braves, Tampa Bay Rays, Baltimore Orioles.

EAST: Washington Nationals, Houston Astros, New York Mets, St. Louis Cardinals, Miami Marlins.


CACTUS LEAGUE

NORTHEAST: Chicago Cubs, San Francisco Giants, Arizona Diamondbacks, Colorado Rockies, Oakland Athletics.

WEST: Los Angeles Dodgers, Chicago White Sox, Cincinnati Reds, Cleveland Indians, Los Angeles Angels.

NORTHWEST: Milwaukee Brewers, San Diego Padres, Seattle Mariners, Texas Rangers, Kansas City Royals.


The DH would likely be universally implemented as well.


There could still be division winners and wild-card winners, perhaps adding two more wild-card teams to each league, or a postseason tournament with all 30 teams.

The winner of the Cactus League in Arizona would play the winner of the Grapefruit League in Florida for the World Series championship, utilizing the domed stadiums in late November.

This would be wild but also interesting! Anything would be better than nothing obviously..
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Today, multiple league sources released a different idea that has been discussed in recent days. In this arrangement, the league would have teams stationed in one of three hubs: Florida, Arizona or Texas. The clubs would then make use of the local major- and minor-league (or spring training) facilities.

One source even expressed guarded optimism about the idea's chances of coming to fruition.

Ballparks in St. Petersburg (Florida), Phoenix (Arizona), and Arlington (Texas) each have roofs, retractable or otherwise, that would safeguard against rainouts and other extreme weather, allowing for multiple games to be hosted at those sites per day. Theoretically, MLB could also ask teams stationed in Florida and Texas to drive three-plus hours to other MLB parks (Houston's Minute Maid Park and Miami's Marlins Park).

It's unclear if MLB would assign 10 teams to each metropolitan area, or if it would opt for an unbalanced approach that would see 12 teams in one area and eight in another.


Any leaked proposal, this one included, should be taken with a grain of salt. MLB would have to reach an agreement with the union on other logistical issues.

For example, Los Angeles Angels outfielder Mike Trout and Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw have each pushed back against the idea of spending months in isolation, away from their families.

Still, it's safe to expect MLB to continue looking for ways to have some kind of 2020 season due to the substantial amounts of television revenue that could be lost with a wiped-out year.

Commissioner Rob Manfred hinted at as much last week. "From our perspective, we don't have a plan, we have lots of ideas," he told Fox Business. "What ideas come to fruition depends on what the restrictions are, what the public health situation is, but we are intent on the idea of making baseball a part of the economic recovery and sort of a milestone on the return to normalcy."
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lets see how the players in the Korean League do
can they stay healthy?
what happens if theres a positive covid test? etc
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Passan's 20 questions -- There will be MLB in 2020. It's just a matter of when, where and how
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This is a well written synopsis. With so many ifs and buts, we as fans of the sport need only worry about how games will be streamed, televised, or portrayed.

We'll be safely somewhere in a spot to watch, but will that be the case for all the participants, support staff, and anyone else involved in its presentation?
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It's looking more and more like we'll have a baseball season after all

While the 2020 Major League Baseball season has yet to begin because of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, the league is growing more confident that playing will be feasible while also beginning to formulate plans and a timeline for getting the season underway.

Here's the key takeaway from Ken Rosenthal's wide-ranging recent report in The Athletic:

"The most realistic time range for Opening Day — somewhere between mid-June and July 4, in the view of most officials — would allow for an 80- to 100-game regular season, with the schedule running through October. An expanded postseason at neutral sites might follow, with the World Series ending in late November or early December."

The goal for both owners and players is to maximize the number of games in the season and thus maximize revenues. At this point, playing half of the 162-game slate feels ambitious, but with larger rosters and perhaps more frequent scheduled doubleheaders it's theoretically doable. Obviously, any postseason that stretches into the vicinity of Thanksgiving and beyond is going to require the use of ballparks in warm-weather locales or at least with retractable roofs. With cold-weather, outdoor teams like the Yankees, Twins, Nationals, Cubs, Mets, Phillies, Indians and others plausibly aiming for contention, arranging for neutral sites in advance will be a necessity.

As for breaking ground on the 2020 regular season, CBS Sports' R.J. Anderson recently reported that MLB is considering opening in three locations -- Florida, Texas, and Arizona -- with pools of teams in each location. That's still very much in play, as is, per Rosenthal, an expanded suite of early locations. The hope is that eventually teams will be able to transition back to their usual home ballparks, as stay-at-home orders are lifted across the country. There's of course no guarantee that fans will be permitted to attend any games, even late in the season, but that's a matter that will be dictated by the virus itself.

The next step will be formulating a list of one-off structural adjustments -- necessitated by the compressed schedule and reduced revenues -- for MLB to present to the Players' Association (MLBPA) for approval. As Rosenthal notes, the players have already agreed to prorated salaries for the 2020 season but owners might press for further concessions, especially if games are played without fans in attendance. According to Rosenthal, MLB will wait until there's some level of clarity before presenting the MLBPA with any specific proposals.

The key takeaway is that, while the specifics are unknown and very much in flux, it's looking increasingly likely that we'll have a 2020 season of some kind in MLB. Barring the unexpected, that season should get underway by the middle of summer.
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Latest about 2020 mlb season.

While the 2020 Major League Baseball season has yet to begin because of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, the league is growing more confident that playing will be feasible while also beginning to formulate plans and a timeline for getting a season underway.

Here's the key takeaway from Ken Rosenthal's wide-ranging recent report in The Athletic:

"The most realistic time range for Opening Day — somewhere between mid-June and July 4, in the view of most officials — would allow for an 80- to 100-game regular season, with the schedule running through October. An expanded postseason at neutral sites might follow, with the World Series ending in late November or early December."

The goal for both owners and players is to maximize the number of games in the season and thus maximize revenues. At this point, playing half of the 162-game slate feels ambitious, but with larger rosters and perhaps more frequent scheduled doubleheaders it's theoretically doable. Obviously, any postseason that stretches into the vicinity of Thanksgiving and beyond is going to require the use of ballparks in warm-weather locales or at least with retractable roofs. With cold-weather, outdoor teams like the Yankees, Twins, Nationals, Cubs, Mets, Phillies, Indians and others plausibly aiming for contention, arranging for neutral sites in advance will be a necessity.


As for breaking ground on the 2020 regular season, CBS Sports' R.J. Anderson recently reported that MLB is considering opening in three locations -- Florida, Texas, and Arizona -- with pools of teams in each location. That's still very much in play, as is, per Rosenthal, an expanded suite of early locations. The hope is that eventually teams will be able to transition back to their usual home ballparks, as stay-at-home orders are lifted across the country. There's of course no guarantee that fans will be permitted to attend any games, even late in the season, but that's a matter that will be dictated by the virus itself.

The next step will be formulating a list of one-off structural adjustments -- necessitated by the compressed schedule and reduced revenues -- for MLB to present to the Players' Association (MLBPA) for approval. As Rosenthal notes, the players have already agreed to prorated salaries for the 2020 season but owners might press for further concessions, especially if games are played without fans in attendance. According to Rosenthal, MLB will wait until there's some level of clarity before presenting the MLBPA with any specific proposals.

The key takeaway is that, while the specifics are unknown and very much in flux, it's looking increasingly likely that we'll have a 2020 season of some kind in MLB. Barring the unexpected, that season should get underway by the middle of summer.
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Looks like it will be in every city w/o fans.
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Here is some more versions of a plan.

NEW YORK (AP) -- Major League Baseball is exploring various options that could allow the season to start if the medical situation allows, including a plan in which the 30 teams might be split into three regional divisions.

Among the formats under consideration is one in which teams could be restricted to playing within their region, two people familiar with the discussions said Tuesday. The people spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because no public statements were authorized.

That plan, if used, would break up the traditional alignments of the American and National Leagues. It also would cut travel during the coronavirus pandemic.

MLB also has looked at configurations for all-Arizona, Arizona-and-Florida and Arizona-plus-Texas-plus-Florida locations, the people said. The latest plan was first reported by USA Today.

Another variation would have teams start in Arizona, Texas and Florida, playing in empty ballparks, and then if the health situation allows, switch later to their regular-season sites. If conditions improve later in the year, they possibly could start playing before fans with only a percentage of seats sold.

Opening day had been scheduled for March 26, but the new coronavirus caused MLB to delay the start to mid-May at the earliest.

Any plan would be subject to medical approval plus consent of federal, state and local authorities. Any schedule with games at neutral sites or without fans would require an agreement between MLB and the players' association.

Baseball officials have told the union of their thinking but have not made any formal proposals.

Baseball also is considering expanding the playoffs beyond the current 10-team format. Officials have discussed extending the playoffs into November or possibly even December, using domed ballparks and warm-weather cities.

Any plan would be contingent on baseball gaining access to test about 3,000 people on a regular basis: about 1,200 players plus staff and broadcast personnel. Players most likely would need three to four weeks of workouts before opening day.

Baseball officials have been encouraged by statements about the prospect of starting the season from Govs. Greg Abbott (Texas), Andrew Cuomo (New York) and Tom Wolf (Pennsylvania) and Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, one of the people said.

In a sign of baseball's significance, Cuomo appointed Yankees president Randy Levine and Mets chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon to his New York Forward re-opening advisory board on Tuesday.

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Here's a look at the possible realignment structure:

EAST

New York Yankees and Mets, Boston Red Sox, Washington Nationals, Baltimore Orioles, Philadelphia Phillies, Pittsburgh Pirates, Toronto Blue Jays, Tampa Bay Rays, Miami Marlins
WEST

Los Angeles Dodgers and Angels, San Francisco Giants, Oakland Athletics, San Diego Padres, Arizona Diamondbacks, Colorado Rockies, Texas Rangers, Houston Astros, Seattle Mariners
CENTRAL

Chicago Cubs and Chicago White Sox, Milwaukee Brewers, St. Louis Cardinals, Kansas City Royals, Cincinnati Reds, Cleveland Indians, Minnesota Twins, Atlanta Braves, Detroit Tigers
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Multiple agents receiving messaging today that there will NOT be a minor league season, rather, an MLB expanded roster and a developmental league playing out of Spring training facilities.
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According to two players associated with those agents, they expect to be playing baseball sooner rather than later.

“Expecting to report in the next three weeks,” one source said via text message. “We’re expecting the season to start in June.”


Many will overestimate the number of prospects who will be part of the MLB expanded rosters, especially if service time considerations are simply prorated to fit a delayed/shortened season.
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For what it's worth and to keep the guessing game going, Jeff Passon saying contrary to reports, MLB has not canceled the Minor League Baseball season (according to a league spokesman)
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No Baseball?: WTFauci...

Dr. Anthony Fauci discussed the possibility of having to cancel the entire MLB season Wednesday. Yankees president Randy Levine isn’t giving up, saying he believes everybody with a stake in Major League Baseball getting its season started should cooperate with each other.

Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told the New York Times, “Safety, for the players and for the fans, trumps everything. If you can’t guarantee safety, then unfortunately you’re going to have to bite the bullet and say, ‘We may have to go without this sport for this season.’ I would love to be able to have all sports back. But as a health official and a physician and a scientist, I have to say, right now, when you look at the country, we’re not ready for that yet.”

Levine reacted on Fox News Radio’s “The Brian Kilmeade Show.”

“I really believe everybody should just work together to do this. I was kind of surprised this morning when I saw one story about Dr. Fauci where he said that now he doesn’t — he thinks some sports might not play till next year, but last week on the YES Network, he said that — quite the opposite,’’ Levine said.

“He [Fauci] said that he, like the governor [Andrew Cuomo], would like to see games with fans in the seats … — I’m sorry, with no fans in the seats and there — if there is mitigation, possibly, depending on conditions on the ground, fans in the seats. So I mean it’s confusing, and that’s why all of us with good intentions have to come together, need to come together and put a plan together that works.”

Recently, Fauci said the coronavirus will dictate the decision to start the season.

“It’s going to be the virus that determines what the timetable is because if we get the virus under really good control, it is conceivable that you may be able to have some baseball with people practicing physical separation,’’ Fauci said. “Namely, you don’t pack a stadium.’’
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Major League Baseball and the Major League Umpires Association have reached an agreement on umpire salaries for the 2020 season.

The league had reportedly been seeking a pay cut for umpires and was pushing for an agreement to be in place this weekend. Absent an agreement, the umpires would not have been paid until play resumed.

Details of the new arrangement aren’t known, although the umpires had made an initial offer of a 20 percent reduction, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. Rosenthal reported yesterday that the league’s proposal to the umpires included a 35 percent pay reduction (including retroactive prorating of salary that was already paid out prior to the Covid-19 pandemic shutdown) as well as reduced per diems and postseason bonuses. That arrangement didn’t sit well with the umpires union.

Negotiations with the umpires were just one of the countless issues that need to be sorted as the owners, commissioner Rob Manfred and the players association work toward staging a truncated 2020 season that is unlike any we’ve seen in the past (or will see again).
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Want some good baseball news??

I just heard from multiple sources that on June 10th, Spring Training 2 will start. July 1st will be Opening Day and all teams will be playing at their home ballparks.


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