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Old 11-26-2012, 03:54 PM
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DR jack so true you cry fix when you lose but when you win like i did with lock of year miami ML +140 lock of decade was it fixed or did i really know something about Seattle ?
everyone knows seattle plays like crap on the road. you didn't find the cure for cancer, you picked a logical football game. i've seen your other picks as well. probably wouldn't bust anybody else for losing picks if i were you.
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:57 PM
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I used to not believed in fixes until I saw this game.


Years ago, it was a college game between the Razorbacks and I can't remember the other team. The spread was Arkansas -6. It was Arkansas ball on about 15-20 yard line on the opponent territory. They were up by 5 with about 2:xx remaining. They got to 4th down with 10 yards to go. They went for it on 4th down, LMAO (of course you can guess the result). After that game, it changed my whole thought. Luckily, I did not have any money on that game. I also believe not all games are fixed.


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dude where do u come up with this stuff lol
Hots. Meet me in Vegas somme day and I will show you exactly what I am talking about. People who are in on fixes do not talk unless the Feds protect them. For every bad ref that the Feds cover for, 8 or 9 more just suddenly "retire". It is much more prevelent in hoops, because no one gives a crap if you win by 23 points and fail to cover a 24 point spread, except the guys who laid the 24 points. The same goes for totals. It is a lot tougher in Football because there are no 6 point scoring plays in hoops and in football, they are quite common.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:09 PM
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DO you Belive in vegas fixing NFL games ? Please respond with proof not rumors

Nba for sure and nfl is getting there
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:21 PM
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The fact of the matter is that most, if not all of you in here rarely, if ever go to Vegas. You would not have first hand knowledge about this subject. If you did, and you talked about it, you would be dead or wishing that you were.
Most of your bettors do not bet in Vegas. In Vegas you need the front money to bet or you don't bet..go to your favorite bookie & run a tab. That's where most of your bettors go...and I bet more money than you can imagine..Try using the bookies edge and see more times than less who wins
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:30 PM
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I do but it couldnt be proven..several times i thought it. Been at this a long time Atlanta +1.5.. Miss a 22 yd fg at half..miss a 38 yard fg at the end.
i had atl - 1 so i pushed instead of lost. i know you have no sympathy for me, but we both would have won. i never thought fixed, though. i thought their kicker sucks and is a clown.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:35 PM
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Most of your bettors do not bet in Vegas. In Vegas you need the front money to bet or you don't bet..go to your favorite bookie & run a tab. That's where most of your bettors go...and I bet more money than you can imagine..Try using the bookies edge and see more times than less who wins
offshore is growing huge as well. you still need the money, though. the only problem with bookies is they will let someone with no control lose their whole life because they extend credit.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:37 PM
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Most of your bettors do not bet in Vegas. In Vegas you need the front money to bet or you don't bet..go to your favorite bookie & run a tab. That's where most of your bettors go...and I bet more money than you can imagine..Try using the bookies edge and see more times than less who wins
theres more volume whether post up or credit, offshore than vegas

offshore mostly in costa rica, most are online and or phone, they do way more volume than vegas

the spreads are created to get close to even action, but books take positions too

also the books use the public perception and adapt to what a statician might call the "true line"

they maybe holding more on one side than the other and feel good about it

but that has noting to do with fixes

look the books arent fixing anything

if anyone is fixing a game or games, its a syndicate, large bettors pooled together

books would be the first to tip the feds if they are getting lopsided action on an otherwise low volume game/event

I think thats all possible but not prevalent in say college hoops or maybe pro hoops

some of the Toledo football games of late have been sketchy too

with the nfl though its too much of a stage IMO

books make money no matter who wins

youll always see articles about vegas books taking a beating lol, thats drama

thats why I think if the nfl were fixed it would be about bigger things

than book purses

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Old 11-26-2012, 04:52 PM
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i dont think so, but i do remember a nebraska-iowa st game where neb fumbled like 5 times inside the 10 yd line
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:55 PM
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I think anytime there is money on the line, especially the kind of money that changes hands in Vegas on NFL games, something is "fixed." I do not believe it should be used as an excuse for losing a bet however, because it balances out over the long run. For every one game you lost because their was some sort of fix, it's jus as likely you won one along the way as well. Think it is naive to believe it does not happen though with the world we live in today.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:25 PM
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I have personally seen it, On several occasions. I and have been the victim of actually being hated by not only the NFL but by specific athletes. I have felt the pain that such hatred can produce and because of it hate for some reason most people that ever played the game.

Cmon Zeke out of the times you get fucked you just gotta hope you get kissed 53 times out of every 100. It works both ways I had the under and it was majical
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:31 PM
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I think anytime there is money on the line, especially the kind of money that changes hands in Vegas on NFL games, something is "fixed." I do not believe it should be used as an excuse for losing a bet however, because it balances out over the long run. For every one game you lost because their was some sort of fix, it's jus as likely you won one along the way as well. Think it is naive to believe it does not happen though with the world we live in today.
You are so true..live by the hook..die by the hook
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:34 PM
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I did not read the 30 or so responses but if you believe that games are fixed yet you still bet on them then you need to seek help.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:34 PM
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DR jack so true you cry fix when you lose but when you win like i did with lock of year miami ML +140 lock of decade was it fixed or did i really know something about Seattle ?
Listen you are so full of shit...lock of the decade??? Every game is a lock of the decade...either you win or you lose...why is it a lock?? If football isn't fixed
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:37 PM
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millions of dollars on the line in more ways than one

you're naive if you believe it never happens. No need for proof, use your head.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:47 PM
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Hots. Meet me in Vegas somme day and I will show you exactly what I am talking about. People who are in on fixes do not talk unless the Feds protect them. For every bad ref that the Feds cover for, 8 or 9 more just suddenly "retire". It is much more prevelent in hoops, because no one gives a crap if you win by 23 points and fail to cover a 24 point spread, except the guys who laid the 24 points. The same goes for totals. It is a lot tougher in Football because there are no 6 point scoring plays in hoops and in football, they are quite common.
how are you going to show me this?
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vegas isnt the center of all that is sports gambling. its barely 1/100th of all money that goes down in the country. they do reap the benefits of who ever is in the know though.
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Answering in general here, not to any particular list or poster.

Have games been "fixed" in the past?

Yes, history, court cases, have proven that at times, players and/or refs have cheated in certain games to alter the outcome so they could profit financially.

Do Vegas casinos fix games to affect the outcome for financial gain?
Only someone who has not worked in casino management, or is familiar with the numbers, would believe this to be true.

Guy comes up to the counter after one of the NYG Super Bowl wins.
Has a ticket on a Giants player prop (may have been # of sacks, or # of tackles, I forget which but the exact prop is irrelevant.)
His ticket needs one more to go Over and make the ticket a winner but his guy is out of the game, late, no chance of coming back in.
The bettor is screaming at one of my ticket writers, insists we cheated him.
I asked what the problem is, he called us crooks, accused us of having his player pulled so he wouldn't get one more sack/tackle.
I asked how we accomplished this and he said we called Coughlin and told him to pull the guy.
He actually believed that a Vegas book:
had a coach's cell phone #,
called him,
and the coach, IN THE MIDDLE OF A SUPER BOWL, ANSWERED,
and pulled the player so this particular bettor would lose . . . his $500 wager.

$500 or 1 million, doesn't matter, the annual hold % of a sports book is minuscule in the overall revenue picture. Some even operate a point or two in the red, they're loss leaders only serving to keep players from going to other casinos to bet (the casinos know if a player goes next door to bet sports he likely will also do some gaming or dining there, may even book his room there next trip, meaning lost rev for the casino w/out a book.)
No casino would risk its license, and the revenue that comes with it, in order to win a sporting event.
It's basic math.
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"Only someone who has not worked in casino management, or is familiar with the numbers, would believe this to be true."
Correction - should read "unfamiliar" with the numbers.
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Really I mean do you actually know of key players or refs accepting cash to fix a side so vegas wins money !

I think Not Because og huge saliries involved with players and caoches who would shave points or purposley fumble a ball to make doggie cover a spread ?

HOw much money would you accept knowing that if you got caught you NFL career is over !

NO player or Coach is even allowed to bet on his team or against them same in NBA the law is written NO Gambling !
I seen the signs in locker rooms BIG BOLD Print black letters on white board !

SO if YOU saw actual cash changing hands or really heard it happen say so !
You've got it all wrong. Pro sports is legally documented As a entertainment, profit sharing business. No one's on the take. All coaches and refs, owners, know what's going on. Only a few players need to know. The rest just know to follow a play exactly as the position tells them to, or their gone. The shorter a players career, the less he knew or was willing to do exactly as told.
All you need is common sense. In the real world, games wouldn't come down to the final plays/seconds every week.
Major markets wouldn't hog all the championships. Winners and losers would be randomly all over the map.
Players don't care who wins because they get 6 or 7 digits in pay every year. That's the "take" they get.
In the real world, a QB cant last 20 years unless it's k own you can't touch him. If teams were actually fighting for the ultimate prize, Brady would have limped away from the game 5 or 10 years ago.
I don't need an authority figure to tell me I'm right. My common sense and critical thought tell me I am. You have it to. You simply refuse to listen to it anymore.
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The simple reason players are told no gambling, is because some already know the outcome. Thsts why they pay them so much. To lessen the urge to do so. And the fact that dull brained fans might catch on to what's really happening.
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You've got it all wrong. Pro sports is legally documented As a entertainment, profit sharing business. No one's on the take. All coaches and refs, owners, know what's going on. Only a few players need to know. The rest just know to follow a play exactly as the position tells them to, or their gone. The shorter a players career, the less he knew or was willing to do exactly as told.
All you need is common sense. In the real world, games wouldn't come down to the final plays/seconds every week.
Major markets wouldn't hog all the championships. Winners and losers would be randomly all over the map.
Players don't care who wins because they get 6 or 7 digits in pay every year. That's the "take" they get.
In the real world, a QB cant last 20 years unless it's k own you can't touch him. If teams were actually fighting for the ultimate prize, Brady would have limped away from the game 5 or 10 years ago.
I don't need an authority figure to tell me I'm right. My common sense and critical thought tell me I am. You have it to. You simply refuse to listen to it anymore.
Sorry, but I just want to understand better. You're saying, in all the professional and amateur sports that are bet on, some of the players are "in on the fix" or "in the know"? So they've all signed NDAs or something? Even on their death beds they don't spill the beans? Or do you think they're all threatened with their lives and family's lives? Just in the NFL alone, you'd have to keep 32 QBs hushed up, a bunch of WRs and RBs. Doesn't even include the defense. What about the players that actually suffer from life-threatening or career-ending injuries?
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Sorry, but I just want to understand better. You're saying, in all the professional and amateur sports that are bet on, some of the players are "in on the fix" or "in the know"? So they've all signed NDAs or something? Even on their death beds they don't spill the beans? Or do you think they're all threatened with their lives and family's lives? Just in the NFL alone, you'd have to keep 32 QBs hushed up, a bunch of WRs and RBs. Doesn't even include the defense. What about the players that actually suffer from life-threatening or career-ending injuries?
Here's 1 million or 5 million to play a game. You'll never make the money doing anything else.You want it, you'll do exactly what we want. Are you going to fuck that up? 32 billionaires with an army of lawyers and the media under their thumb..vs dumb ass Tommy jock boy. Go ahead, say something. By morning you'll be in the news as a nazi , cross dressing aids victim who robbed a bank. Half the shit you read in the news daily, is a lie to begin with and you suck it all up. It's not hard with money to burn.
It's the same as when they say actors and musicians sell their soul to be famous. Jocks are entertainers too.
Favre never sent dick picks =made up lies. Riley Cooper was told to say n____r on camera.P Manning never did anything at Tennessee to a female trainer. It's all made up.
Vick never had a dog fighting ring and bulldogs aren't remotely vicious unless trained to be. That fake story spawned pointless laws in multiple States. All propaganda, all by design.
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Here's 1 million or 5 million to play a game. You'll never make the money doing anything else.You want it, you'll do exactly what we want. Are you going to fuck that up? 32 billionaires with an army of lawyers and the media under their thumb..vs dumb ass Tommy jock boy. Go ahead, say something. By morning you'll be in the news as a nazi , cross dressing aids victim who robbed a bank. Half the shit you read in the news daily, is a lie to begin with and you suck it all up. It's not hard with money to burn.
It's the same as when they say actors and musicians sell their soul to be famous. Jocks are entertainers too.
Favre never sent dick picks =made up lies. Riley Cooper was told to say n____r on camera.P Manning never did anything at Tennessee to a female trainer. It's all made up.
Vick never had a dog fighting ring and bulldogs aren't remotely vicious unless trained to be. That fake story spawned pointless laws in multiple States. All propaganda, all by design.
I used NFL as an example sport, to give an idea of how many people in your scenario would presumably have to keep quiet. But just the NFL alone, again, in your scenario, it would take over $1 Billion annually to keep the minimum amount of 7 players from each team to keep quiet and be in the know of what you're purporting. Sure, that's a drop in the ocean for all the owners and media companies combined, but it's not like these guys are actors (except a few QBs these days, but you can see their talent and hunger diminishing). But you'd definitely have to keep more than 7 -- you'd have to keep the whole team quiet, the refs quiet, the coaches quiet, ball boys, water boys, maintenance, etc. Because even the whiff of that news would spread like wildfire. Especially these days in the age of technology and social platforms. Word would have definitely got out; if not from the NFL one of the other 100s of sports bet on. Word would have slipped.

Basically I'm trying to say you're a nutbar. If you truly believed this, you wouldn't be on a sports capping site, even on your slowest of days. I hope you get the help you need. Because this kind of conspiracy thinking will completely consume you.
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I used NFL as an example sport, to give an idea of how many people in your scenario would presumably have to keep quiet. But just the NFL alone, again, in your scenario, it would take over $1 Billion annually to keep the minimum amount of 7 players from each team to keep quiet and be in the know of what you're purporting. Sure, that's a drop in the ocean for all the owners and media companies combined, but it's not like these guys are actors (except a few QBs these days, but you can see their talent and hunger diminishing). But you'd definitely have to keep more than 7 -- you'd have to keep the whole team quiet, the refs quiet, the coaches quiet, ball boys, water boys, maintenance, etc. Because even the whiff of that news would spread like wildfire. Especially these days in the age of technology and social platforms. Word would have definitely got out; if not from the NFL one of the other 100s of sports bet on. Word would have slipped.

Basically I'm trying to say you're a nutbar. If you truly believed this, you wouldn't be on a sports capping site, even on your slowest of days. I hope you get the help you need. Because this kind of conspiracy thinking will completely consume you.
Lol you don't have to pay that much. You alone would keep your mouth shut for a couple million. Thsts more than any of us will see for a lifetime.
The fact is there's already plenty of books and reading material that explain how it's fixed. Go look for it, you'll find it.
There's plenty, yet people are still childishly in the dark, like you. It's so easy to see. The common man keeps his mouth shut about a the injustices and stupid gossip at his slave labor job for a few thousand bucks....yet you think it's hard to find dishonest people to give them 1 million - plus ,to do as told? You aren't thinking clearly or logically.
You don't know what's in actual contracts and you don't know any of these people. Pro sports has nothing to do with honesty. Billionaires don't become billionaires through honest practice. My explanation was enough..you have no chance when billionaires ,lawyers and media are all owned by a higher ranking power then you could ever compete with.
How difficult for you it is to ponder is irrelevant.
You and millions of others saw a guy hit another guy in a helmet and nothing was called and everyone shrugged their shoulders and complained for an hour and then moved along to the next screw you moment. You think it's hard to pay a dumb kid a few million to fall down so another scores a TD? I'm not the one with a screw loose.. you are lol.

Lol at thinking it's hard to pay these guys. The wealthy elite can just create money out of thin air on a computer screen. They never run out.
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