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Old 03-15-2019, 11:31 AM
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I am reserving final judgement for what they actually do with these picks. I donít mind trading obj or what they got for him. Although anything less would have been too low. Losing his diva attitude should help and I am factoring that into the deal to give this a possible net gain. Especially if we get a young qb.

I can see them using the first couple rounds on O line and Defense with a wr somewhere in there. Maybe late 3rd or greater on a trade for Rosen (who I donít think is anyoneís answer but feel is a little better than he showed in the shitty AZ scheme).

Of course they are behind Eli. He has tossed his body to the wolves for us both in press and behind the shittiest o-line for years. I would rather have him half to whole season while that line gets itís lega under it than sacrifice a rookie qb week 1. His metrics last season were decent enough that he will be fine.

That is with the fact we are not in Win Now mode like most. We are rebuilding. This is the long play. If we fail this season then better draft capital next year for what should then be a winning year and if we do ok then we did better than the last two years and they can spin improvement.

I only want a qb at 6 if there is one worth getting. Not for the sake of having one. That is asinine.
The one part i really do not agree with is the rebuilding part. I think the Giants were a lot closer to challenging for that division than most. The Browns went (0-16) just 2 years ago and now they will be considered one of the teams to watch in the AFC with a young roster loaded with talent. They have the QB, RB, WR & TE to make it happen and they have some really nice pieces on defense too.

The Giants had the RB & WR and both were very young. They also have a young TE in Engram too. They lacked 1 thing, the QB. They should have addressed it last year or made sure to do it this season either by trade, FA or draft. They also should have kept OBJ and the key pieces on defense.

I said a few weeks ago if you put a Kyler Murray with Barkley, Beckham and Engram, you have an offense that looks very much like the Chiefs, Rams, Saints right away. You get a guy like Murray and he can make your OL look a lot better than it is with his scrambling ability.

You focus your draft this year and next on OL & Defense after that and there is no such thing as a rebuild. You are a team that everyone wants to watch and nobody wants to play instantly.

Holding on to Eli as long as they have is seriously crippling this organization. He hasn't been good at all. He just hasn't. He has no physical ability to avoid a rush, his decision making isn't great and he seems like he is afraid to throw the ball in tight windows imo.

The Giants were so close imo. When you have the RB/WR/TE that they had you put a QB with them, tweak a few things and you are there. The more i think about this trade the more it makes no sense to me, especially after seeing them sign Tate.

I am starting to think their front office is retarded. Seriously.
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:07 AM
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I am a LSU tiger fan guess the Browns will be my second favorite team behind the Saints.
( J.Landry is nothing like the head case Odell is) Look out for the Browns next year. My be a good idea to put some coin on them to win the Division.
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Old 03-16-2019, 07:44 AM
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I will bet against Cleveland. New Coach lots of egos and a team that just isnt used to being the favorite. I will play Baltimore and Pitts to win the division before the Browns.
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:59 AM
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I think they will be good for sure, but it all depends on the price and currently 14-1 to win the SB is over valued

they will be everybody's sexy pick
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:02 PM
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The Browns will face four teams that made the 2018 playoffs

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Home
Ravens
Bengals
Steelers
Dolphins
Bills
Seahawks
Rams
Titans

Road
Ravens
Bengals
Steelers
Jets
Patriots
Cardinals
49ers
Broncos
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:06 PM
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:12 PM
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On each game, think of the percentage you think its probable they win

for example first one the list, home to the ravens, Id say 60%, so you would put a 0.6 next to theat game, then add up, for your projected win total

how you come up with each games percentage can be your unique methodology, maybe its madden simulations, whatever

im throwing this together without much thought., gut reaction


Home
Ravens 0.55
Bengals 0.7
Steelers 0.5
Dolphins 0.65
Bills 0.7
Seahawks 0.5
Rams 0.35
Titans 0.6

Road
Ravens 0.45
Bengals 0.5
Steelers 0.35
Jets 0.55
Patriots 0.2
Cardinals 0.6
49ers 0.55
Broncos 0.45


8/8.5 wins, I guess im not giving them enough credit
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:13 PM
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:31 PM
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Well they had 7 wins and a tie last year. and they lost 2 road games in overtime by 3

I assume Baker will be a little more comfortable and even better in year 2

Browns add OBJ, Richardson, Vernon and K. Hunt week 9
Bengals still suck
Steelers lose AB
Ravens Lose Suggs, Weddle, Crabtree, Mosely. Add Thomas, Ingram

I think 8-12 wins is possible. If they lose a couple close ones, 8. If a lot of things really click, 12. I see a little of each happening for 10. I also really think Baker is good so that played in to my decision too.

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(5-4) Home
(3-5) Road
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:37 PM
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On each game, think of the percentage you think its probable they win

for example first one the list, home to the ravens, Id say 60%, so you would put a 0.6 next to theat game, then add up, for your projected win total

how you come up with each games percentage can be your unique methodology, maybe its madden simulations, whatever

im throwing this together without much thought., gut reaction


Home
Ravens 0.55
Bengals 0.7
Steelers 0.5
Dolphins 0.65
Bills 0.7
Seahawks 0.5
Rams 0.35
Titans 0.6

Road
Ravens 0.45
Bengals 0.5
Steelers 0.35
Jets 0.55
Patriots 0.2
Cardinals 0.6
49ers 0.55
Broncos 0.45


8/8.5 wins, I guess im not giving them enough credit
My numbers would be higher. In the home games, Miami is really going to suck. I would go way higher than 65% there. Also, they tied Pittsburgh at home and that was with Tyrod Taylor going (15-40) at QB. I would give them a better than 50% shot there for sure. Especially with Baker at QB and factoring no AB on 1 side and adding OBJ to the other. I could see a lot of those % being higher on the home games
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lol

(8-9)
Phone posted like a loser. Home was 4-4. Road was 3-5 for sure. Should have just said the games specifically

My bad. Long couple nights with my kid who won’t sleep and just cries.

Home
Ravens - loss
Bengals - win
Steelers - win
Dolphins - win
Bills - loss
Seahawks - loss
Rams - loss
Titans - win

Road
Ravens - loss
Bengals - win
Steelers - loss
Jets - loss
Patriots - loss
Cardinals - win
49ers - loss
Broncos - win

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Old 03-16-2019, 02:54 PM
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PPM I want some of what you are smoking cuz that still don't make sense. Hahaha
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Cleveland Browns open as favorites to win AFC North

The Cleveland Browns suddenly have become a talented -- and public -- team this offseason.

Their Super Bowl odds shifted from 25-1 to 14-1 at the SuperBook at the Westgate Las Vegas after their trade for wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr., and they're now the most bet-on team to win the Super Bowl by tickets and money at DraftKings Sportsbook in New Jersey.

Add favorites to win the AFC North to the list of offseason accomplishments, too.

The SuperBook on Saturday opened the Browns as +140 favorites to win the division, trailed closely by the Pittsburgh Steelers at +160 and Baltimore Ravens at +250.

"They have the most talented roster in the division, and they are the team the public will be looking to bet," SuperBook director John Murray told ESPN. "Multiple big-name stars means public fascination, and I think they would've won the division last season had they gone with Kitchens/Mayfield duo from Week 1."
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:45 PM
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The New England Patriots are the biggest divisional favorites at -700 to win the AFC East for an 11th straight season.

The Miami Dolphins have the worst divisional odds at 40-1. The Indianapolis Colts are AFC South favorites (+125), followed by the Houston Texans at +225.

The Philadelphia Eagles are slight favorites (even) in the NFC East over the Dallas Cowboys (+125).

The Chicago Bears (+160) are the favorites in the NFC North, with Minnesota and Green Bay at +200.

As ESPN's David Purdum reported, the addition of Beckham to the Browns' upgraded roster is worth ".5 to 1 point" to the team's power rating, in line with other elite players such as Julio Jones and Antonio Brown. Cleveland also added defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson and defensive end Olivier Vernon this offseason.

According to sportsoddshistory.com, the Browns have never closed as the AFC North favorites (dating to 2002 when the four-team division was created).
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[url=http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/26282178/cleveland-browns-open-favorites-win-afc-north]list of offseason accomplishments, too.

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Browns win offseason, lol
During season, They suck again....
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:56 PM
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The New England Patriots are the biggest divisional favorites at -700 to win the AFC East for an 11th straight season.

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how terrible that division has been,disgusting, havenít had qb in that Division since Chad Pennington, cup cake city
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Old 03-16-2019, 07:09 PM
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Browns are going to suck as usual, haha, bad bad HC hire
You're as stupid as you sound. I would bet you they're going to be 3 games better than Shitsburg but I couldn't trust you to pay. That would mean taking too much of your welfare check.
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Old 03-16-2019, 08:24 PM
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how terrible that division has been,disgusting, havenít had qb in that Division since Chad Pennington, cup cake city
Stop fuckin crying!
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Old 03-17-2019, 01:27 PM
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playing in the afc east and winning that divison is fuckin easy those teams all suck,jets.bills,dolphins like taking candy from a baby it's like playing aaf teams
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:48 PM
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that isnt really true

the rest of the afc east is .500 against everybody but the patriots
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:52 PM
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They are just haters Roma. I have posted it many times before, Brady and the Patriots have kicked the shit out of every division in the NFL during this dynasty. Not just their own. The clueless will always be clueless.
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:59 PM
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The patriots are a dynasty,I don't deny that,but it is nice knowing 5-1 in your division is a given.
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Old 03-17-2019, 05:17 PM
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Nothing in the NFL is a given. They go (5-1) every year because they are just that good. Like i said, check their record against other divisions and it will make your argument baseless.
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Nothing in the NFL is a given. They go (5-1) every year because they are just that good. Like i said, check their record against other divisions and it will make your argument baseless.
They are that good,I don't deny,they do good outside the division,it's the other 3 teams that don't,they are best team in football I don't deny,but don't blow smoke out my ass and tell me the 3 other teams don't suck
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