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Old 02-27-2019, 06:00 AM
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He's -300 to be suspended, which wasnt listed in the above aritcle.
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Old 02-27-2019, 07:45 AM
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For me the only thing which really matters here is whether Kraft or any of the other johns on the list contributed financially to the illegal human sexual trafficking involved here.
If it can be PROVEN that they did, then yeah pursue it to the extent of the law because that is being complicit in negatively affecting the lives of others.
If not then, well go ahead and fine the folks like Kraft who relieved himself of some bodily fluids which ended up in a napkin or paper towel a few hundred bucks and move on in the same way that someone is fined for a speeding ticket.
Imo going say 85 or 90 mph when posted speed limit is 60 or 65 is far worse because other human lives are at risk.
Also if one wants to get technical and assuming that all Kraft and the others on list did was pay for sex, then consider this using Donald Trump as an example.
Everyone knows now about his affair with Stormy Davis and the hush money involved.
When you come down it, even though unlike the massage parlors in Jupiter Florida, she didn't have a sign on saying massage parlor(which was supposed to be for the back, shoulder, leg massages etc. only but not for the sacred sexual parts), in essence she was and is a prostitute, who in this case sold her sexual services to Trump for a price.
Was/is not money the only reason that Davis supplied sexual favors to Trump?
In actuality and not getting into the morality of this, imo what Trump did was worse in that he tried to cover up this affair, the reason being that he knew damn well that there were those in the voting population who would frown on that and might not vote for him because of it.
If you want to look at it another way, what about a case when a guy strikes up a conversation with a woman in a bar, buys her some drinks and then ends up in bed with her for the night at his or her home or apartment?
Or for that matter if someone meets someone on Match.Com or some other dating services and the guy wines and dines her not because he wants to marry her but because he is looking for short term nooky?
Could not this situation be described of someone in a sense paying for sexual services?
The examples I could cite in this regard could go on and on.
The overall point is that in our society and for that matter all society sex rules, and cannot not should not be legislated unless of course we are talking rape and folks like Bill Cosby.
In this case imo the only folks who should be pursued and prosecuted are those who contributed to the sex trafficking rather than the johns assuming that they were not involved.
I am sorry if this offends anyone and/or they don't agree, but imo sex "crimes" other than the forcible ones I described should be judged either by the person's spouse/significant other if he/she has one and by my beliefs, God!
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Old 02-27-2019, 08:43 AM
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Here are literally thousands of differing comments/opinions from folks looking at this incident, the former which when taken in their entirety, cover the entire spectrum:

Robert Kraft Prostitution Sting, Cops Have Graphic Video From Inside Spa | TMZ.com
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:27 PM
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Appears Kraft pled not guilty and wants to go to trial. His lawyer will try to fight using the definition of the statute.
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:38 PM
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Attorneys for other defendants in this sting have requested the videos be sealed and not made public, but going to trial does increase odds that such evidence becomes public.
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Old 02-28-2019, 04:05 PM
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Articles like this one convince more than ever that unless it can be proven that Kraft and/or any defendant contributed directly financially to those who began/are in charge of this sex trafficking operation and/or it can be proven that they knew that all the women in these places and/or for that matter the woman who performed sex on them was doing this against her will, thent all of the charges against the defendants should be thrown out and that only those who ran these operations should be prosecuted.
If it will make the authorities in charge of investigating this operation happy, then let them slap Kraft's and the other's hands for the "horrible "unacceptable" and "terrible crime" committed against humanity because of the end results of the defendants' human bodily liquids ending up in a paper napkin, tissue paper or towel, ok great-fine them a couple of hundred dollars and let that be the end of it. lol
ps I am not a lawyer, but I would love it if any of the attorneys representing the defendants sue the State of Florida if any of the videos showing Kraft and the others being serviced are publicly released.
Robert Kraft, Patriots owner, pleads not guilty to charges of soliciting prostitution - CBS News

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Old 02-28-2019, 04:08 PM
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Kraft is an old fuck who got caught getting his dink sucked for a price. He should pay his fine and move on to the NFL office and take their punishment too before moving on. If there is a video it is a pretty open and closed case.
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Old 02-28-2019, 04:24 PM
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Not so fast ...

Police released Kraft’s probable cause and arrest warrant. Says he was allegedly caught on cam paying at front and tipping. He allegedly Pulled up one day in white Bentley and next day in blue Bentley and women helped him get dressed after, according to cops.

Also ... Keep in mind Police docs confirm that police did install hidden cameras on the same day they evacuated it under pretense of a suspicious package and possible bomb threat.

The video was possibly not legally obtained, the police seemed to ignore the necessity requirement for such an intrusive measure like planting a camera in the premises.

Certainly plausible Kraft's attorney will challenge the admissibility of the tape if it were to go to trial.
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Old 02-28-2019, 04:26 PM
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The one thing I find amusing/laughable about all of this is that Kraft allegedly got serviced in Jupiter on the morning of the playoff game against KC and then flew to KC after the "oil change"/lube" to watch the game in the afternoon.
Perhaps it might have been easier and/or better judgment on his part for him or his sources to have checked out the places in KC which offer similar services. received it there and made it a "one stop shopping day." lol
Then again though hindsight is easy in view of what he and the world knows now that they didn't when he got his "lube job."
I also wonder why he was serviced before the game rather than after it.
Perhaps it was because he felt that if the Pats lost, he might not be able to get it up for a while, and that thus "playing it safe" was the way to go. lol
ps For a guy just a few years younger than he is, kudos to Kraft if he could be serviced on two consecutive days.
I would assume he was using Viagra or a sex enhancement supplement, but you never know.

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Old 02-28-2019, 04:29 PM
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Not so fast ...

Police released Kraft’s probable cause and arrest warrant. Says he was allegedly caught on cam paying at front and tipping. He allegedly Pulled up one day in white Bentley and next day in blue Bentley and women helped him get dressed after, according to cops.

Also ... Keep in mind Police docs confirm that police did install hidden cameras on the same day they evacuated it under pretense of a suspicious package and possible bomb threat.

The video was possibly not legally obtained, the police seemed to ignore the necessity requirement for such an intrusive measure like planting a camera in the premises.

Certainly plausible Kraft's attorney will challenge the admissibility of the tape if it were to go to trial.
It should be pretty simple. If the tape is legit and legally obtained, case closed. If not, they have no proof.
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Old 02-28-2019, 04:58 PM
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Eric Snyder, a former prosecutor in the Manhattan DA’s Office and the US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York and now a high-profile trial lawyer, believes there are glaring issues in the case.

The law stipulates police should only seek warrants for surveillance cameras if no other evidence is available to support their case

Even throwing out the video ...

There’s also no proof in the affidavit that he solicited anything from the women. It is possible that this could have been a legal and consensual act between adults and there does not seem to be evidence to prove otherwise.

Police allege that vulnerable women are effectively being held as sex slaves, why didn’t the police move faster to get these women out of danger? Investigators seemed more concerned about obtaining highly embarrassing video footage to shame the customers, rather than acting faster to stop an illegal operation keeping vulnerable women in ‘sexual servitude.’
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Old 02-28-2019, 05:38 PM
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When Kraft's lawyer issues a statement saying he didn’t do anything illegal, the probability is high he plans to fight the actual charge ... he will argue over the definition in the statute and say the alleged crime of soliciting doesn’t apply to facts of this case.

if Kraft’s lawyer does plan to make such an argument it would be a reason to ask for a non jury trial because it’s a technical argument that’s too confusing for jurors but can be handled well by a Judge
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Old 02-28-2019, 06:52 PM
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I wouldn't pay $.02 for the woman pictured a couple of posts back if I actually degraded/defiled myself and stooped down to the level of paying for sex.


yeah thats the curious part, is with his money he can have much better looking women just show up at his house. the best of both worlds as it would be more discreet and less risk plus better looking

we all pay one way or another though
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Old 02-28-2019, 06:53 PM
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I wonder how long thy built this case, how long they were under surveillance
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In the late 90’s I dated a girl in Florida that owned 3 “massage parlors”. Rules were never offer anything with a cost attached and if a client asked for anything other than a massage and offered money they were to say we don’t do that here and massage was it. There were plates on a table next to the massage table for tips. If they just put a tip in they would get whatever based on the tip. When finished the girl would escort the client to the door and after he was gone than they could go back and get the “tip”. Her lawyer advised her to do it this way. No monetary discussion or exchange from person to personon no prostitution, according to her lawyer.

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Old 03-01-2019, 06:53 PM
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I wonder how long thy built this case, how long they were under surveillance
5 days and he visited the place twice.
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5 days and he visited the place twice.
It was under surveillance for six months
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Old 03-01-2019, 09:18 PM
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Here is some more good and interesting stuff, most of which is in Kraft's favor.
Imo the fact that his car was stopped for no good reason (related to his driving) and he was asked to show his driving license may be enough in itself to get the whole case against him tossed.

How Patriots owner Robert Kraft could get off in prostitution case

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Old 03-03-2019, 05:54 PM
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I know I shouldn't make light of this but does anyone know if there are any futures odds as to what the ultimate outcome/result will be for Mr. Kraft when all is said and done?
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In my humble opinion
just shows how cheap he was

hire a personal massager to come to house
and work out the fringe benefits
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Old 03-07-2019, 04:38 AM
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In my humble opinion
just shows how cheap he was

hire a personal massager to come to house
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Good to see you around!

Its not that uncommon for someone with a big public profile, to want to feel like an average Joe for a day. Or in this case an hour.

Or vice versa an average Joe wanting to feel like someone with a big public profile.
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Kraft will be required to appear at his arraignment hearing in Florida on March 28

Patriots owner in a really bad situation on 3-28 ... miracle come back and beat the charges?
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:51 PM
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I'm hearing that is false and he still does not have to appear
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Old 03-07-2019, 07:35 PM
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If so, a few big media outlets jumped the gun and reported it wrong, including ...

MSNBC
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Michele Steele - ESPN
Dan Wetzel - Yahoo Sports
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Old 03-07-2019, 07:38 PM
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WEEI keeps reporting that they are wrong and he doesn't have to appear. Who knows.
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