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Old 01-26-2022, 07:13 PM
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I hope you are right. But I think you are wrong.

It’s changing to dynamic odds which will essentially eliminate any edge. Unless of course the change the line and you feel it’s an edge based on which ever book you trust
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Old 01-26-2022, 07:16 PM
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Iíve seen them everywhere, but Iíve seen it state that in-store betting will remain of course, which I think is props as well. Just because Props didnít get a sheet doesnít mean it still wonít be around, I think they just changed the others to include single bet wagering.

I do think however we will no longer see this 100 dollar limit per location anymore.
I remain hopeful Props will still be available for in-store and/or on-line wagering, comes next week.

However that should be the least of our concerns, IMO. The concern, as broncs correctly pointed out a few posts above yours, is what happens if the Prop odds is dynamically adjusted and by all indications, they will be.

Will we still have an opportunity to smash the weak OLG lines before they get adjusted in (almost) real-time, recognizing we all have families here and may simply not have time or resources to monitor lines around the clock, or will we now actually have to handicap the games to try to predict an outcome for the Props we like.

This will add time to our busy schedule and the chances of winning (consistently) remain very much to be seen. I don't necessarily have a winning *system* for Props, per se, my M.O. is to simply bet the discrepancies between OLG lines and book lines. I will be the first to admit I have not been good enough to win $ off Pinny, Bet365, whatever books out there and if the new ProLine 2.0 takes the same approach then it will be back to the drawing board for me but we will see what happens next week.
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Old 01-27-2022, 10:42 AM
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I don’t think they will ever get rid of in store sports betting. They have too much to lose. Makes no sense especially when the majority of the population still plays other games in store. I looked at the results online for Proline plus, the props offering was short. Not holding my breath for this week or the SB. If and when the offerings on Proline plus are better, I don’t anticipate the types of parlays we play will be allowable.
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Old 01-27-2022, 12:21 PM
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I donít think they will ever get rid of in store sports betting. They have too much to lose. Makes no sense especially when the majority of the population still plays other games in store. I looked at the results online for Proline plus, the props offering was short. Not holding my breath for this week or the SB. If and when the offerings on Proline plus are better, I donít anticipate the types of parlays we play will be allowable.
They are not getting rid of in store betting. They are changing the way it is offered in store. There will no longer be a set list with fixed lines and odds.

When you go play. You will need an updated list with updated lines and odds.

Just not sure how often the lines and odds will be updated
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Old 01-27-2022, 12:25 PM
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All these changes are so they can simply make more money. It’s nothing for the better. As if they don’t make enough money as it is.

Pay attention to the threads or go back and look. I can guarantee you that 95 percent of the time in the thread there are more losers than winners, which is obvious since they have been around since 92 or they would have shut down. My point is, why not just leave it alone and give us some hope. Just seems that every little piece of light over the years keeps getting taken away.

Fucken legal crooks. But I guess no one says we have to play
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Old 01-27-2022, 12:30 PM
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One more thing. Why don’t these bastards give us our wager back when we win like everywhere else

You win 500 on a 3 gamer for a 100. They keep your 100 instead of paying 6.
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Old 01-27-2022, 03:04 PM
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I saw this for the past week at a place I play at locally, but didn't notice there was two sides to this paper. Here is an excerpt from the paper:

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Old 01-27-2022, 03:09 PM
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What I gather from this:

-You can still bet paper slips OR generate combos on your phone, which will probably be more unique and can combined props across various games

-There may no longer be props cards, however every game can be acted as a prop card, just gathering lines/players from all games

-Yes, there will be dynamic odds. However, it seems only the ODDS will change and not the actual line. Its omitted here, still possible, however this looks more like preventing Pro-Line/Point-Spread errors that state "Industry Odds Changed." Further, I think this will be manually checked like they do now where they close players, unless they integrate via API to a site like Bodog, but I doubt this.

-No longer have to wait until next day, which is amazing, unless it's excluded for cashing out at stores.

-No mention of props here, but it looks like Props will merge into Pro-Line and everything will be Pro-Line from here on out.
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Old 01-27-2022, 08:01 PM
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What I gather from this:

-You can still bet paper slips OR generate combos on your phone, which will probably be more unique and can combined props across various games

-There may no longer be props cards, however every game can be acted as a prop card, just gathering lines/players from all games

-Yes, there will be dynamic odds. However, it seems only the ODDS will change and not the actual line. Its omitted here, still possible, however this looks more like preventing Pro-Line/Point-Spread errors that state "Industry Odds Changed." Further, I think this will be manually checked like they do now where they close players, unless they integrate via API to a site like Bodog, but I doubt this.

-No longer have to wait until next day, which is amazing, unless it's excluded for cashing out at stores.

-No mention of props here, but it looks like Props will merge into Pro-Line and everything will be Pro-Line from here on out.
What I highlighted will be key for our survival, moving forward, b1llups.

I hope they only change the odds and keep the same lines but it probably won't make much sense and I will give you a very specific example

If you recall Mac Jones (New England Patriots QB) passing yardage was set at around 200 yards, for both online and OLG, at the beginning of the day for the memorable Patriots-Bills card last December. I think OLG odds was 1.75 for the Over and 1.65 for the Under.

His line dropped steadily throughout the day online and ended up at around 180 yards or so, if I remember correctly, as reports of strong winds at the Buffalo Bills stadium poured in. OLG line never changed and we all cleaned up.

Moving forward with the new changes, if OLG only adjusts the odds, will they be slashing the Under to 1.25 for this scenario or will they actually adjust the line and make it 180 yards or so before game time? That's the million dollar question and we will find out sooner rather than later.
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Old 01-27-2022, 08:10 PM
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What I highlighted will be key for our survival, moving forward, b1llups.

I hope they only change the odds and keep the same lines but it probably won't make much sense and I will give you a very specific example

If you recall Mac Jones (New England Patriots QB) passing yardage was set at around 200 yards, for both online and OLG, at the beginning of the day for the memorable Patriots-Bills card last December. I think OLG odds was 1.75 for the Over and 1.65 for the Under.

His line dropped steadily throughout the day online and ended up at around 180 yards or so, if I remember correctly, as reports of strong winds at the Buffalo Bills stadium poured in. OLG line never changed and we all cleaned up.

Moving forward with the new changes, if OLG only adjusts the odds, will they be slashing the Under to 1.25 for this scenario or will they actually adjust the line and make it 180 yards or so before game time? That's the million dollar question and we will find out sooner rather than later.
Yep it's a little comical how we keep speculating rather than just waiting a few days and seeing lol but based off my interpretation, this seems more for Money-Line/Point-Spread/OverUnder, as they don't want the "Events" cancelled as opposed to the prop bets.

Based off my understanding about technical databases/API, it would be easier to change an odd as it's an external attribute with the "record," as opposed to changing the "record" itself. The new slip looks like it has up to 999 records, each one representing a bet that most likely can be intertwined with another. To change the line, it looks like it would need to be manually entered as a "new record," which doesn't seem compatible with this type of interface as the original record will have a True/False value for it being a winner or a loser.
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Old 01-27-2022, 08:23 PM
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Yep it's a little comical how we keep speculating rather than just waiting a few days and seeing lol but based off my interpretation, this seems more for Money-Line/Point-Spread/OverUnder, as they don't want the "Events" cancelled as opposed to the prop bets.

Based off my understanding about technical databases/API, it would be easier to change an odd as it's an external attribute with the "record," as opposed to changing the "record" itself. The new slip looks like it has up to 999 records, each one representing a bet that most likely can be intertwined with another. To change the line, it looks like it would need to be manually entered as a "new record," which doesn't seem compatible with this type of interface as the original record will have a True/False value for it being a winner or a loser.
I agree we will find out soon enough, as early as next week, and I hope your technical interpretation is right, for our sake.

My interest in these changes extend more than just Props (and I understand the conversations and concerns have mostly revolved around Props) because I also focus on the ProLine (including Over/Under) and PointSpread values with the current system.
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Old 01-27-2022, 08:27 PM
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I also focus on the ProLine (including Over/Under) and PointSpread values with the current system.
I suck at Point Spread and most games lol.

Random question, how come you post picks for props but not Pro-Line/Point Spread? Obviously youíre not entitled to post anything, but why one and not the other if you play both ?
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Old 01-27-2022, 08:37 PM
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I suck at Point Spread and most games lol.

Random question, how come you post picks for props but not Pro-Line/Point Spread? Obviously youíre not entitled to post anything, but why one and not the other if you play both ?
That is a fair question and my answer is very simple: For ProLine and PointSpread, I use a website designed by a super smart guy by the handle of ProLinePlayer (or PLP for short). You might have seen his name mentioned in various threads here over the years.

In a nutshell, his website compares OLG lines (for ProLine and PointSpread) against the book lines and I play the discrepancies. Other regular posters here (walks, zoola, red_falcon, etc just to name a few) also do the same thing so there is not much point for me/us to post our plays.

That and I/presumably the other guys can play several ProLine/PointSpread tickets throughout the day, basically whenever we spot values, so it is very challenging to post tickets on a daily basis.

Props is a different beast on its own. For starters, PLP does not have any calculations for NBA and NFL Props and only partial calculations for MLB Props so I have not relied on him when it comes to Props.

I like to post my Props tickets because I recognize there are different ways to skin the cat when it comes to Props and I hope to generate conversations/discussions. There are people who focus on the discrepancies, there are people who look at other angles to exploit e.g. trying to key a MLB player who is not in the starting lineup so I think it is important to post what I play and play what I post and I hope to learn from others as much as others learn from me.

Deciding on the right key and rotations can mean profit for the day/week and I personally think we all have a lot more to learn from each other, when it comes to Props, probably more so these days with constant lineup changes due to COVID and other factors beyond our control.

Hope that answers your question!
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Old 01-27-2022, 11:57 PM
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When I got into Props, I was pretty young and oblivious to betting. There was only completions, the prop cards were small, but I was enticed to take overs all the time, because of course it all looked so easy to go over. I quickly discovered the unders were the bet.

However, I only learned of edges about 2-3 years ago. My most consistent bets were always based on game scripting (who would be up/down), defensive/offensive rankings, statistical records against teams, weather factors, injuries, and several other factors and this is where I had the most success. My even highest % bet would be if a player who's been in the league for some time has a consistent pace of breaking a slump of their line, which are the best bets by far.

That being said, betting the edges would be equivalent to "playing it by the book" at a card game table. However, once you see live lines and betting, and how you will always get a much larger edge on live bets, it kind of skews what true value is. You also have to figure there are professionals who play in Vegas, and they don't really go by any edge because they are essentially "the book," so I think this is kind of going to kick us in the ass to dig deeper and do more work rather than relying on edges. I'm not going to lie, when I get an edge of several points due to an injury, this is definitely the best way to play, but just seeing a few cents or 1-2 points isn't much and I can't remember the best games being those type of edges.

My 2 cents, but I guess it's just up to me and others to provide those stats to show the edges may not matter at all sometimes and to prevent getting suckered in sometimes. I have provided some stats in the past that were ridiculed, but proven wrong after game time, so although I'm not completely swain from doing so, it's up to others to either keep smart ass comments to themselves or bring something better to the table to keep it an open discussion with all points of view.
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Old 01-28-2022, 06:00 AM
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^ I am sorry you were being ridiculed when you presented your stats. When was it? OLG gave us a lot of Props cards this year (a good problem to have, mind you) so I might have missed some banter.

As you know, there are always the odd *characters* who like to pipe in every now and again, more so during the NFL season I find but you know what they say *Tough times don't last, tough people do*. I hope you can let it slide like water off your back and continue to move forward.

You might have benefitted from using the legendary Allbutbroke's NFL charts (I recall you were asking for his whereabouts earlier this season?) and darth's Props results so I sincerely hope you reconsider your decision and continue to share with the community what you have up your sleeves. Think of it as another way to gauge constructive feedback.

But you are right, ultimately it's up to each individual to chart his/her own path. I am not as mathematically inclined as some of the lads here (Chin, rich, Matty, to name a few) but I can't simply just sit around waiting for them to throw us some bones (posting plays or angles) so I have to hustle twice as hard to get a piece of the pie and I wouldn't have it any other way.

All the best with your future plays! Choppy waters to navigate ahead but I have no doubt we will figure things out. We always do!
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Old 01-28-2022, 10:24 PM
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Sad news. Props are done come next week.

Why will PROPS no longer be available at retail?
PROPS cards will no longer be offered as a separate product.
Proposition bets will still be available as a market on the new
PROLINE selection slips and on the bet builder app and website.
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Old 01-29-2022, 06:52 AM
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Sad news. Props are done come next week.

Why will PROPS no longer be available at retail?
PROPS cards will no longer be offered as a separate product.
Proposition bets will still be available as a market on the new
PROLINE selection slips and on the bet builder app and website.
Should be business as usual for Championship Sunday and we will see what comes next week, broncs.

You can soon recycle the stash of Props slips you have at home and in your car, in case of emergency. I know I will
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Old 01-29-2022, 09:13 AM
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Should be business as usual for Championship Sunday and we will see what comes next week, broncs.

You can soon recycle the stash of Props slips you have at home and in your car, in case of emergency. I know I will
Bit disappointing that they wonít have them around for super bowl. Honestly thought that would be the last hurrah. But letís see what they offer in a couple weeks
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Old 01-29-2022, 11:42 AM
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Chase un 5.5 recp
Chase un 86.5 rec yards
Burrow un 288.5 pass yards
Mixon over 58.5 rush yards
Edwards-helaire Over 37.5 rush yards
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Should be business as usual for Championship Sunday and we will see what comes next week, broncs.

You can soon recycle the stash of Props slips you have at home and in your car, in case of emergency. I know I will
In my office at home, I have a ton of props/pro-line/point spread cards lol. I guess after Monday, they are heading to the recycling bin & to be replaced with the new cards they are now using.
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