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satchel27 11-12-2019 09:37 PM

Impeachment
 
Having a hard time taking this thing serious when the republicans are not allowed to subpoena both Bidens or the whistleblower, which all 3 are the substance of this whole circus.

Maybe the Dems have something up there sleeve or a bombshell, but so far Adam Shiff is keeping this one sided

This will be interesting and most likely a big huge DUD while the media making out to be HUGE

Roma 11-12-2019 09:40 PM

they are fucked, as in the DNC

just wait for the investigation that will show they made up the russia hoax, lied to get the Mueller probe even started, including all the wiretaps on POTUS during the campaign, including the FBI making up lies about Flynn later on, see that investigation has no "leakers"

theses people aren't even embarrassed about the conclusion of the mueller investigation LOL

cornered animal

satchel27 11-12-2019 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Roma (Post 8576544)
they are fucked, as in the DNC

just wait for the investigation that will show they made up the russia hoax, lied to get the Mueller probe even started, including all the wiretaps on POTUS during the campaign, including the FBI making up lies about Flynn later on, see that investigation has no "leakers"

theses people aren't even embarrassed about the conclusion of the mueller investigation LOL

cornered animal

Roma, what is your take on republicans being denied request of subpoenas for the 3 most intregal people in this circus?

Roma 11-12-2019 11:20 PM

that's inconsistent with every other impeachment hearing in the house, they are making up rules as they go

the whole whistleblower "thing" is neutralized by releasing the transcript. We don't need anyone to interpret what happened. we have the exact transcript.

Mr. NASCAR 11-13-2019 12:15 PM

"These people aren't even embarrassed about the conclusion of the mueller investigation."

It's a phrase you hear a lot regarding liberals/dems/progs, "They should be embarrassed."
But they never are. It's impossible for them to be so. They are incapable of being embarrassed or feeling shame like a normal, sentient human being, because one of the tenets of their existence is they have no pride, dignity, or integrity.
This fact, combined with the staggering degree of asininity in their base of pliable followers, is what makes them dangerous.
And cancerous to our nation.

BFDwager 11-13-2019 12:40 PM

Putin must be laughing his ass off! Divide and conquer.

secondbase 11-13-2019 12:53 PM

dems looking more and more like fools ..all the time ..When will they learn ?

Andre 11-13-2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Roma (Post 8576582)
that's inconsistent with every other impeachment hearing in the house, they are making up rules as they go

the whole whistleblower "thing" is neutralized by releasing the transcript. We don't need anyone to interpret what happened. we have the exact transcript.

It's not an "exact" transcript. The front page even says as much, if anything it's a memorandum

Roma 11-13-2019 12:58 PM

thats consistent with how all white house calls are indexed. nothing to see

Roma 11-13-2019 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BFDwager (Post 8576912)
Putin must be laughing his ass off! Divide and conquer.

I imagine his laughter began when the narrative against the incoming president that claimed he colluded with russia began, created out of thin air. the biggest enemy is within

cptkirk321 11-13-2019 06:47 PM

I'm sorry but are you people just blind to things? I understand for some strange reason you either like Trump or hate democrats, I really don't care which it is but the facts are facts. I keep hearing nothing to see with the phone call, well that is just plain incorrect. When the President sits there and says, “I would like you to do us a favor though,” and then goes on with “There is a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution, and a lot of people want to find out about that,” and then “So whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great,” then there is a problem. Then a couple of days later on the lawn at the White House when he is asked what did you want the Ukranians to do, he states for the world to hear if they were honest they would do an investigation on the Bidens, then doubles down and says the Chinese should investigate the Bidens as well because what they did in China was worse than what they did in Ukraine. You really don't need much more than just what Trump has said himself to see he wanted other countries to investigate a political rival, which is against the law. You don't need the rest of the people who are going to come forward and came forward today to state what they know. This is shit they do in Russia and banana republics, it is not something that the President of the United States of America should be involved with. If this was a democrat who did this, you same people in here would be blowing a fawking gasket and your head would be exploding, and you would be right for going off the deep end with it. Forget R's, forget D's this is abusing his power of office and I am shocked and really dismayed how many people are trying to cover up for this conman. He was a conman in business, and he is a conman in the White House. The one thing I could always use to count on from Republicans was the law was the law and now to see them twist and turn to try to cover up for this conman is sickening.

Then on top of that they take this phone call and move the transcript to an even higher level security server for no apparent reason other than to hide this because the people who moved it, knew what he did was completely unethical and wrong. And then the icing on the cake, on September 9th the White House and DOJ get word of this whistleblowers report and 2 days later voila the money is unfrozen and sent to Ukraine. I know, just a co-inkydinky

Now I could understand somewhat if the blindly loyal would come out and say hey it wasn't right, but it doesn't reach the level of being thrown out of office, I wouldn't agree but I would at least have a bit more respect for those people. But to treat people like they are complete morons from what they saw and heard with their own eyes and ears is just simply astonishing.

Roma 11-13-2019 07:18 PM

the president sets foreign policy and foreign policy is quid pro quo, its peddling influence

you may question the ethics of asking an investigation to be re-opened ( where influence was used to close it by the previous admin) but its not an impeachable offense

the banana republic esque clown show was the 3 years of mueller investigation

this"whistleblower" isnt a "whistleblower" at all. A whistleblower stumbles upon an egregious offense

this guy was a CIA operative, who previously worked for Biden and specifically int eh Ukraine. Entirely bias. His attorney, was calling for a coup and made it known on twitter less than a week into this presidential term. That clues you in to the fact they have always been planning this, and had to find the crime to do so. And this is their weak attempt and final gasp at this.

cptkirk321 11-13-2019 07:34 PM

Yes I agree alot of foreign policy is quid pro quo, but for the interest of the nation and not the for the interest of gain only for the President. That my friend is called abusing power of the office of the President of the United States because he wasn't looking out for what was best for the country when he stands in plain site and says Ukraine should investigate the Bidens and then doubles down with China should as well.

Its about corruption of Ukraine, ok then why no talk of corruption only investigations into a political foe? This wasn't what was best for the country this was what was hopefully going to be best for Trump.

I'm so tired of hearing about the whistleblower. Trumps own Inspector General said it was credible, the witnesses who have been deposed and were speaking today have collaborated most if not all of what the whistleblower had in his report. But again don't need any of this, just simply have to read and hear what Trump himself said in that partial recount of the call and what he said on the lawn of the White House. He stood on the White House lawn and said Ukraine should investigate the Bidens and China should as well. That is not the whistleblower saying that, its not the dozen or so who have been deposed of so far those words were from Trump as well as the what he said on the call.

As for Ukraine, Biden didn't get the Ukraines to fire the previous prosecutor himself, he went on behalf of the government of the United States, the EU, the IMF, and countless other bodies around the world who said that prosecutor had to go. Again as you said Roma, the President sets foreign policy, not the Vice President. But again none of this matters for the impeachment, whether he is guilty or innocent, you have the President of the United States wanting a political foe investigated for his own benefit. He never talked about corruption he talked about the Bidens and a server, only things that benefited him. If this was such a big thing about corruption then why did he only bring it up after Biden announced he was running for President and all of these polls showed him beating Trump? This is year 3 of his Presidency, but only now is this important to Trump. Anyone with any common sense has to ask themselves why now? Why not for the first two years of being President?

Roma 11-13-2019 07:41 PM

its not an impeachable offense. and you're not immune to investigation if you're running for office

Roma 11-13-2019 07:48 PM

this moral high ground and voice of reason in the center act is hilarious

so was the fake Mueller investigation attacking a candidate? was wiretapping him throughout the campaign attacking a candidate? Do you think that cloud affected the presidency?

there's no connection to releasing the aid and any investigation into Burisma.

Jordan breaks it down, step by step, from the stoppage of aid, the call, and to the aid being released 55 days later


satchel27 11-13-2019 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cptkirk321 (Post 8577255)
This is year 3 of his Presidency, but only now is this important to Trump. Anyone with any common sense has to ask themselves why now? Why not for the first two years of being President?

Yeah common sense right?

Ukraine just elected a new president and took office in may 2019 and won on ending corruption.

The Bidens were right in the middle of this corruption and Trump wanted to look into it.

Like Roma said, not impeachable offense

satchel27 11-13-2019 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Roma (Post 8577263)

Jordan breaks it down, step by step, from the stoppage of aid, the call, and to the aid being released 55 days later


Schiff in pure panic mode to try and shut Jordan up at the end of his scorching

wayne1218 11-13-2019 10:33 PM

These 2 dopes sit there for 6 hours with no 1st hand knowledge of anything. Jordan was great today when he tore this bullshit apart. I am so fuckin sick of seeing these dumb fucks trying to fabricate one thing after another after another. It is honestly hard to believe one single person out there would buy this bullshit or drink the schiff kool aid

These people are nothing but a disgrace to this country and they are doing nothing but wasting a whole lot of time and money on this bullshit

wayne1218 11-13-2019 10:51 PM

Seriously though, they fell flat on their face today. It was nothing, zero, a bore fest. And cock suckers like Schiff and Pelosi better be careful because if they want to continue playing games instead of doing their fuckin jobs, they will find out it is a 2 way street. These piece of shit cock suckers will get a taste of their own medicine next time they control the White House.

It’s a fuckin joke. They could have had DACA and 100 others things fixed but they are too obsessed with reversing an election that happened 3 years ago. That cock sucker Schiff will get his some day and I can’t wait for it to happen. He wants to make up fake phone calls to fit his narrative and make a mockery of this government and his will come guys. Fuckin piece of shit he is. What a disgrace

satchel27 11-13-2019 10:54 PM

Here are the 2 "star witnesses" being asked the most simple but crucial question in this whole Schiff show!



Guess I have no common sense

BFDwager 11-13-2019 11:31 PM

Dems not interested in investigating the Bidens, is BS. Orange man bad, Biden good. <::>

Kostiantyn Kulyk & Hunter Biden -- Ukraine to Fire Prosecutor in Gas Company Controversy: Report | National Review

Quote:

Biden has said that in the spring of 2016, during his tenure as vice president, he called on Ukraine to fire the top prosecutor investigating the energy company paying his son. Biden suggested he would withhold $1 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine if the country did not fire the prosecutor, who was accused by the State Department and U.S. allies in Europe of being soft on corruption.

cptkirk321 11-14-2019 10:40 AM

Yes its a scam and yet nobody ever seems to defend what actually is in the socalled transcipt and what Trump said on the White House lawn that Ukraine and then China should investigate Biden and his son. Wonder why?

Now Trump wants an investigation into Biden's son by Ukraine and China ok, then why does he not simply call his buddy Lindsay Graham who is the leader of the Senate Judiciary committee and tell him to open one up and subpoena Hunter Biden? This isn't that complicated he has the power to do it as he is in charge of the Judiciary Committee and could have it done literally in seconds with one bang of his gavel. Hunter started working for that company in December of 2014, the last time I checked the R's were in control of the senate and the congress until this year and not once did they ever call for an investigation into him? Again why?

This isn't complicated, the R's could of done this for the past 5 years, they could of called an investigation for the past 2 years into this socalled server in Ukraine and Ukraine's socalled interference and not once did they ever do that. Again anyone who isn't blinded would ask why didn't they?

The answer is pretty simple, because as with everybody who has looked into this there is simply nothing there and is complete nonsense as Trump was told by his own people.

Again Graham can do this in the next hour with one bang of his gavel and Hunter Biden would be there next week. But he knows the truth and that is why he won't do it. It is sad that everybody who defends this conman doesn't ask a simple question why doesn't he ask Graham to get Biden in front of the senate immediately?

cptkirk321 11-14-2019 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BFDwager (Post 8577360)
Dems not interested in investigating the Bidens, is BS. Orange man bad, Biden good. <::>

Kostiantyn Kulyk & Hunter Biden -- Ukraine to Fire Prosecutor in Gas Company Controversy: Report | National Review

Neither are the R's, Lindsay Graham can do this in a matter of seconds.

cptkirk321 11-14-2019 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wayne1218 (Post 8577339)
Seriously though, they fell flat on their face today. It was nothing, zero, a bore fest. And cock suckers like Schiff and Pelosi better be careful because if they want to continue playing games instead of doing their fuckin jobs, they will find out it is a 2 way street. These piece of shit cock suckers will get a taste of their own medicine next time they control the White House.

Itís a fuckin joke. They could have had DACA and 100 others things fixed but they are too obsessed with reversing an election that happened 3 years ago. That cock sucker Schiff will get his some day and I canít wait for it to happen. He wants to make up fake phone calls to fit his narrative and make a mockery of this government and his will come guys. Fuckin piece of shit he is. What a disgrace

Actually they had a deal with Trump on DACA and then later that day when the right wing media blasted Trump for it, he backed out of the deal. Last time I checked there were well over 100 bills sitting on McConnell's desk that have been passed by the congress and could be worked on with the Senate but McConnell has no interest in moving things along. You may want to bring up some of your concerns about nothing getting done with McConnell himself.

cptkirk321 11-14-2019 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by satchel27 (Post 8577276)
Yeah common sense right?

Ukraine just elected a new president and took office in may 2019 and won on ending corruption.

The Bidens were right in the middle of this corruption and Trump wanted to look into it.

Like Roma said, not impeachable offense

Again Lindsay Graham could get that set up today. Why isn't he? There is a reason but you won't like the answer.


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